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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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I've recently worked with 2 separate sub contractors that "USED" to be die-hard Ford guys until these abortions (their words) . One contractor went NISSAN , the other went MERCEDES. The Nissan guy said he wished he would have test driven them both (Ford/Nissan) BEFORE the Ford purchase, the Nissan is 3 times the vehicle
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 6790 |
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I would be more worried about a GM demise. Well not me, as far as I’m concerned GM can go p*ss up a rope.
What GM and Bush/Obama did is criminal. I will never step foot on GM dealer lot again. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19716 |
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Well, if what you say "three times the vehicle" is true, then Ford might be in trouble. However, I highly doubt that Nissan will ever outsell Ford when it comes to trucks.
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sparky ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 2011 Location: So. Indiana Points: 1468 |
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Buy what you prefer but let’s talk about facts. Ford has been the best selling truck/vehicle for over 40 years running. Ford and many current and past companies were instrumental in winning 2 world wars Allis-Chalmers included. You and your 2 workmates need to study up on facts whether historical or current. And by the way I retired from Ford 18 years ago so if I’m biased so be it.
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It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 6790 |
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Couple years ago, wifey and I took a vacation flew to Lost Wages, drove to Grand Canyon, Boulder Dam, and drove down to Phoenix, rented a Nissan pickup for all the driving. Was not a bad vehicle at all, wife really liked. The only knock was the turning radius took a bit getting used too. Seemed like you needed a lot of acreage to turn around.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 6790 |
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We pretty much have switched over to all Fords over the years, got only 1 GM left in the stable. We do have a Honda CRV, which is our towed vehicle behind our RV, which by the way has a Ford F-53 chassis under it.
My brother has gone Ford, my Mother no longer buys Buick’s, she now has a Toyota. Son #2 (daddy warbucks), has a BMW. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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HD6GTOM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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A fiduciary told me ford was deeply in debt. They were in deep trouble.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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My post is strictly work van related, and it was just an observation from the 2 contractors
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sparky ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 2011 Location: So. Indiana Points: 1468 |
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Ford’s demise has been talked about many times since 1903.
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It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Mactractor ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: New Zealand Points: 652 |
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Aint that the truth!
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 6790 |
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Yes, and in that time, how many times has GM declared bankruptcy? |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11440 |
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JW in MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: South KC Area Points: 2598 |
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Ford work vans are hard to beat and the best selling and has the best resale value. The Nissan excluded, (because I’ve never driven one), Ford has the best seat and ride of all work vans. The Mercedes vans are nice until you have to work on it, super expensive and finding a someone that knows what they’re doing is hard and again expensive especially if he doesn’t. The Dodge vans need pedals to help get up to speed and we traded our diesels before the warranty was up, down time in for repairs was too costly. I got stung by the Ford 6.0 diesel, won’t own another Ford diesel truck but when it comes to work vans, they’ve been number one for a long time and I don’t see that changing soon.
As a side note, if a contractor shows up at my place in a new Mercedes van, I’m probably scrutinizing every penny he’s going to charge me. |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4445 |
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X 2 !!! I will only buy from an American company and, since Chrysler/Ram (who names their truck after a sheep ???) were owned by Daimler and now by Fiat (who has a reputation for poor quality), that leaves Ford or GM. Since I have involuntarily invested many taxpayer dollars in GM, I will stick with Ford. As a matter of fact, I just bought a new F-350 in April. I fear that this microchip shortage is going to significantly hurt every automakers bottom line.
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6353 |
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I am worried about Chinese imports in the near future. Futon and others are making full size pickups now and will probably be imported into the US at a much lower cost than US models.
Same with Large Agriculture tractors China is making. I think they have made off with so much of our designs and tech that they will eventually flood our markets.
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Steve Bright ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Martinsville, I Points: 2104 |
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You can by a Truck, or you can buy a Nissan. You can be American or be a trader. Ford is and will remain number 1 in truck sales for the foreseeable future.
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Ken(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Points: 618 |
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I drove Fords religiously since 1977, cars, light trucks and medium duty trucks and was happy for many years, but noticed that the quality and durability were going south in my opinion. The first Super Duty pickups I owned for the business would go 100,000 miles needing nothing but oil changes and tires, the last ones not even close, and drove like a boat if they were anywhere close to max GVW, which is often. In 2015, after looking closely at what everyone offered I switched to Ram and haven't looked back, I have three presently and couldn't be happier, two of them did require warranty repair, one instance each which went flawlessly, the 6.4 Hemi is a fuel miserly beast of an engine, only complaint is the wife hates the ride of the 3500, due to the fact that it rides like a truck. I used to be against foreign products, but regardless of what you buy, there is foreign influence and it's nothing new, Allis imported and sold Fiat products, many of the Ford's I owned were built in Canada, and the GM plants here are surrounded with foreign suppliers. Chevy was never in the running for me since the seventies when every shop in town that did business with GM needed a Chevy truck to deliver there and they all had one of those "bullet proof" 292 sixes hanging in the back of the shop for a spare, then there was the fact that it took them 30 years to figure out how to make a hard camshaft. They might be good for hauling a boat or a camper, but I'll pass for my needs.
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Darwin W. Kurtz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Location: Westphalia, KS Points: 4792 |
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Around here, when it comes to the trucks , Ford and Afford are always closely related it seems. Chevy trucks at a farm auction sell the best, Dodge (and there are lots of Dodge's around here) sells a close second best and Ford's are always on the low end and have been ever since I started auctioning 35 years ago. Chevy's have always sold the best
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11440 |
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That's cuz people at auction need truck parts!
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Dave H ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Central IL Points: 3485 |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78579 |
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FORD sell MILLINOS of trucks and FreeGas is worried about 2 clowns in a monkey suit that switch to rice burners ? They deserve it !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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You sir are missing MY post ENTIRELY
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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Of the 3 (stooges), your coming up to be the ring leader REALLY fast as far as a nomenclature (MOE)
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 7984 |
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Luv Steve Brights answer ! The Ford debt talk is all here say- , one thing to remember fellas - the foreign guys/ companies all have stock - or money invested in all the big names and are getting deeper in so called American companies, slowly the take over will happen ;
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4385 |
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Amazing how you guys get a idea in your head it stays forever. I have seen them all sitting on the side the road. Some people can make any of them run. DJ WE NEED YOU there are dead truck you can get cheap.
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AllisFreak MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1515 |
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Someone's been hit'n the corn squeezin's again.
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Jordan(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Celina, OH Points: 1545 |
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Did you get this from your fake ‘dealer website?’ Give it up. |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50810 |
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Why would race have anything to do with car ownership?
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4810 |
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"LET"S GO BRANDON!!"
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 6790 |
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We have two separate topics going here,
1. Who makes a better product 2. Which is a better run company In my mind, if a company has to go begging to the govt hat in hand, crying the blues, they need help from the govt to survive, a pox on that company, and the govt for helping. Regardless of the quality of their product, if a company can’t stand alone and survive, I’ve got no time for them. GM is dead to me. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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