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    Posted: 20 May 2021 at 7:25am
On to the next field! Running the 390 until the wobble box pulley decided to come loose...

Borrowed a NH 411 to finish up the rest. Wow, what a difference. You can zoom thru it. Ran 3H but I am sure it would go faster. Could not figure out how to make turns with it as turning right sharply it made all kinds of racket, so I ended up making loop turns. It would turn left just fine




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Forgot to mention on the 390 I was having issues with the very right side not feeding cut hay thru. It was like the cut stalk would shoot up missing the rollers and then build up until it either sucked thru or spun out over the top.
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Junk that old 390 and get a machine that will get the job done. HEY!! this is 2021 not 1970. I use a JD 530 MoCo discbine with roller conditioner and have been mowing orchard grass /alfalfa up to my armpits and it gobbles it up at high speed and never looks back. 
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Guess it depends on what you want to accomplish. I'm relying on.....and am OK.....with old, obsolete equipment* as I'm a small acreage hobby guy. But still no reason one shouldn't shoot for "hay up to the armpits"!

This a 7' NH haybine.......cutting rye, but hay is the same. My 1st cutting last year made 130 50# bales to the acre......over 3 ton......1st cutting.

Thick enough that only a couple 7' windrows put together will force me to bale in 1st or 2nd gear with a NH 315 baler......dropping a bale every 25 feet or so.

Tractor I use to rake and tedder with is a D15, which is in currently in the shop. There is a 190XT and a cleaned up 7010 parade tractor in close proximity, and I'm lobbying to use either one to rake hay......using the clever ploy that I'm not sure either one has the ooomph to handle it. Prove me wrong?
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Hey I just commented on your youtube video. Check for a missing deflector behind the rollers. Our 390 definitely WAS NOT JUNK and served our dairy farm well for 20 years and then another 10 years for our few beef cows. Our 390 started to plug up like that and it was frustrating until my brother bought a manual on it just before we sold it. It showed that there were a couple deflectors missing from our 390, rusted off if I remember. A forum member here bought it from us..... don't know if he used it, fixed it, parked it or what.

Once we learned to loc-tite the bolts for the wobble box, check it for oil daily and keep the knife sharp we no longer had wobble box troubles..... though it needed a seal when it was sold. Way better machine than the 460 Dad also had..... the 460 left on a slow boat to China eventually.
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We are hobby farmers if you want to call us that which is an insult to me, we make hay for our cattle and sell some to pay for our love of AC which has been in our family since grandpa bought a new 1955 WD45. We are small farm operation, our acreage doesn’t justify going out and buy an expensive used discbine . Love to have one but as long as our 390 haybine handles our acreage and we can make repairs to it, it does a great job for a machine of its age. Unfortunately we don’t have more land to lease to justify coming up to 2021.
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Thank you Lonn for the info, I will look at our manual tomorrow.
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And for the record, I wouldn’t own a green machine. If it isn’t AC it will be a NH discbine.
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Our main haybine was a NH 469 Dad ran with his 190XT for many years. When that started getting tired out, Dad had found an AC 904 in really decent shape that he figured would make a good replacement machine. After running the AC just a fraction of 1 hay season, the NH went to the dealer to get fully reconditioned ASAP. Though a devout AC man, Dad readily admitted that the NH would run 2 gears faster behind the XT and still do a better mowing job to boot vs the AC machine. He kept the AC as a backup mower but it very seldom came out once the NH was back at the farm.
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Well I'm not a big fan of the green stuff but just lucked up on the JD 530  discbine in a liquidation deal for $3000.00  This is the 2nd season I've owned it and so far it's been very impressive. I will say if I could afford a NEW round baler it would be green.  Nothing at all wrong with using "Haybines" if one wants. I remember going from a JD no.5 sickle mower to a brand new NH 467 haybine back in the 70's and felt like I had received a "stay" of execution.     
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Thanks for the replies, I will look for the deflector plates. Each corner has them but I will look for others.
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A hobby farm is a farm with 50 acres or less. So it seems we fit into this
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I have a NH 411.  It had the standard 540 pto shaft.  It was amazing how well it would cut.  My NH495 was always plugging in heavy wet hay.  I bought the 411 and hooked it up.  I was going to just do a round before I put on the new blades. It cut so well I did not stop for several hours.

The pto shaft was a problem.  It had clatter on right hand turns.  Metal fatigue eventually caused the pto shaft on my 7040 to break.  I made sure the drawbar length was correct and everything was setup correctly. The fix was that we made a two 90 degree gear box swivel hitch. That hitch was an option when new.  It should be standard. Quiet and no problems.

If you are thinking about buying a discbine, definitely get the swivel hitch.  There is the type that hooks up to the 2 pint lift arms and also a design that bolts to the draw bar.  Either way, a drive line with 2 90 degree gear boxes is worth the money.
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For a bit of perspective, I'm not the only guy in this small neighborhood that bales hay. A different guy bales two of the properties that adjoin me. I've done the math and when he moves in, there is at least $250,000 worth of machinery he bought used that cycles through. While he may have the deep pockets for machinery, he apparently knows little about raising hay. One place has not been fertilized in at least 5 years I know of.....and mostly grows weeds, which he tends to bale at least 1 month past maturity. Stand of what he grows is thin and getting thinner every year.

By comparison, my entire fleet costs about the same as he paid for his USED square baler. But I also keep fertility up, so my old used equipment is put to good use. Strained to keep up would be another way of looking at it.

A soil test and a fertilizer buggy does wonders.
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Thanks!
The Tongue angle seems to be a issue on the 411 as it seems to cause a constant angle on the driveline. Turning right only aggravates the issue. I am sure the 411 was well worn and I didn't want to push things since it was borrowed. I liked how it tucked in behind the tractor in transport mode. 

Originally posted by GregStremel GregStremel wrote:

I have a NH 411.  It had the standard 540 pto shaft.  It was amazing how well it would cut.  My NH495 was always plugging in heavy wet hay.  I bought the 411 and hooked it up.  I was going to just do a round before I put on the new blades. It cut so well I did not stop for several hours.

The pto shaft was a problem.  It had clatter on right hand turns.  Metal fatigue eventually caused the pto shaft on my 7040 to break.  I made sure the drawbar length was correct and everything was setup correctly. The fix was that we made a two 90 degree gear box swivel hitch. That hitch was an option when new.  It should be standard. Quiet and no problems.

If you are thinking about buying a discbine, definitely get the swivel hitch.  There is the type that hooks up to the 2 pint lift arms and also a design that bolts to the draw bar.  Either way, a drive line with 2 90 degree gear boxes is worth the money.
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Seems funny to me, but when we first moved here, some neighbors had been cutting the hay and since I had no equipment, agreed to continue when they asked. It was first week of August......and they cut it with a disc mower. No conditioner. First time I'd seen one run up close and personal, and it did cut fast. I asked about the conditioner and to kid running the mower, it was news to him. He said they had a New Holland haybine, but never used it. Was too slow. I explained about the conditioning.......crushing the stems and all that.....he said that was why they waited until August......it dried down OK without it in the hot dry weather of August. I still have some of that in my barn......I only use it for garden mulch and chicken litter. Not fit for much of anything else.

But once a guy gets up into a disc mower with conditioner, HP requirements go way up compared to the haybine. Pretty sure the little D15 is going to be able to handle my 7' haybine. Would take the 190XT to run a disc mower with conditioner.

But my payoff is selling high quality hay to folks who seek me out to buy it. Only complaint I've gotten lately is the horses tend to eat too much of it and it makes them fat. That I can do that with old, obsolete equipment that I bought for cheap is a plus.
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You can use the disc mower and then run a conditioner thru it. Still a 2 step process.
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I looked and that side has the deflector in place. Any other ideas?
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KY Allis I guess I need to thank you for the memories of the "Good old day's" of running a JD no 5. But I went to a self-propelled NH 907 with a variable speed belt drive and all the joys of that and planetary steering boxes.

But as Mordirt talked you need to be frugal. So I run cheap old more or less junk that has always got the job done in a timely manner.
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There is an adjustment on each side to control the gap between the rollers IIRC. You could experiment with that adjustment. An owners manual might have other suggestions.
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You might want to also try changing the pitch of the reel tines (I think they are adjustable) and/or moving the bar ahead of the reel up or down depending on height of the crop.
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Thanks Lonn
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