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MNLonnie 
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Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 7:42pm |
I know what your thinking, it's just another C, it's the serial # that made me do it. Thanks to Matt (Jordan, MN) I now own serial #C30 and engine #35 along with a set of cultivators. Thanks Matt, it was good to meet you.
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Murph-NC
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Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 7:52pm |
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That's exactly the same rim configuration my last C came home with... one mounted, and one laying on the trailer. Looks like someone added the more modern steering arm support bracket. Nice haul!
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Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 8:47pm |
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Wow!, that is in way better shape than that B transmission I dragged home a couple weeks ago! Congratulations.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 9:53pm |
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very, very cool!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for sharing...I feel like I learned sumpin' new about AC tonight.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 10:03pm |
I notice it still has the short steering bellcranks. Very nice find. Looks like you have the front cultivator mount bar, one lift rod, the rear tool carrier, and some likages i'm not familiar with on the right side. Looks like she's almost all there. Main thing I see missing is the tool box lid, but that's minor. Doesn't look too rusty or beat(except for that rim). Should make you a nice one. Send rehab pics as you can.
Saaay, did I spot a couple of David Bradleys in the background? I have always liked those things. Never was too good at running them(I think you had to grow up farming with mules to know how to use one of those), but were fun to tinker with.
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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 10:47pm |
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Dream, pretty much everything is there for the cultivator, just wasn't on the trailer at the time. As far as the David Bradleys, I have 3 left that are complete and running with an attatchment on them, we usually take one with a sulky to the shows so our 10 year old can haul me around. Glenn, except for the motor being stuck it shouldn't be too bad of a project.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 5:13am |
Talking of Steering Arm Support - the Steering Arm itself appears to be much shorter than the one on the 'C' on the front cover of the 'Oper. Inst. and Repair Parts Illust.' manual I have.
One on manual comes up to centre of gas tank.
The front pedestal arm is also longer.
Perhaps that is when they added the support - with the longer arms.
Gary
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 7:00am |
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Great find with numbers that close.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 7:34am |
Nice find. A nice one to restore, especially the low serial# I wonder if S/N 1 is out there some where?
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Matt (Jordan,MN)
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 12:30pm |
When i bought this tractor the plan was to part it out. My brother needed a gas tank for his C. After i got it home i was checking serial numbers and was suprised to see that it was #30. I then couldn't part it out and i already have 3 c's and no more room in the shed so i decided to sell it. It would be nice to see at Hutch this year all fixed up. It was nice meeting you Lonnie and hope you have hours of fun with your new toy.
Matt
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 4:19pm |
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hard to see but is that a hand lift cultivator? appears no hyd on it. nice find lonnie. met an uncle of yours at a funeral the other day. nice guy , we talked a little orange.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 4:33pm |
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Gary, yes the steering arms were definitely shorter early on. My '41 C has the shorter ones. According to my parts manual, the support was added in the 14000 s/n range, and the longer arms started in the 18000 range. On a related note, my '41 C has a rather unique home-made support for the rear steering shaft. I'll try to post it sometime.
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Ken in Texas
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 5:56pm |
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Looks like it has foot brakes. Shouldn't a C this old have handbrakes?
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 6:17pm |
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I'm always amazed by the knowledge on this website. Is this all written somewhere or is it gone when ....?
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 6:32pm |
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Bruce, it is a hand lift on this one. Ken, your right on the brakes but I got all the parts with it to return it to hand brakes.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 6:49pm |
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OK, now the linkages on the right side make sense. I never thought about it not having hydraulics. As far as the hand brakes, I understand being correct for one this early, but I also understand why it has foot brakes now. With a hand lift and hand brakes, you would be pretty busy up there, especially trying to keep an eye on two rows at once.LOL!
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 8:05pm |
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The steering support was a fix that was offered in the mid-40s. The steering sector could not be bolted tight enough to prevent the steerinf sector from moving. We had this trouble on our 42 C and we added this support to it. It became a stamdard item on later Cs. The early Cs also had the "short arm" steering arms.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 9:18pm |
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We have serial # 11 The early C's have a few differences compared to the newwer ones ours carries the engine serial # on the rear of the block Cannot even read it ours is in about the same shape The did have hand brakes at that serial # Gary Roidt
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Posted: 07 Nov 2010 at 9:41pm |
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#11, you justed rained on my parade. LOL
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Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 7:47am |
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So Gary, is your block stamped CExx ? The Be engines had the number on the back of the block too right?
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Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:55am |
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I do not know what it is stamped just bought it and stuck it in the shed Can see that it has #s but cannot read them Gary
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Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:32pm |
The 42 B Block I had, had the BExxx stamped on the left side flange of the block where I thought all the Cs with CExxx blocks were stamped. Cs never did have BE blocks at the same time as the Bs still had them.
My friend Gary had a 42 C with a BE block out of a 39 B.
What is the last number of the block casting number? A old Short Arm C with hand brakes I looked at a while back ended with a 13. In therory the block was cast in 1941.
IF you look a block over real close you can sometimes find the actual date of when the block was cast. It shows up as a series of numbers day/month/year on a small rectangular spot that looks like it was screwed to the side of the form/mold being sand casted.
To find the actual date the head was cast you look in the bottom of the oil gally under the valve cover. I have found casting dates for the head located in different locations in the oil gally. Some heads I checked have no visable casting date at all.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 9:02pm |
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Ken, I was just thinking, if Gary's block is stamped on the back center pad like the early B's it might have had an engine transplant with a BE engine at some point.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 9:22pm |
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The casting on mine ends with 12 which makes it a 1940 and the right year.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 11:07pm |
CTuck. That is exactly the point I was trying to make. In this case it was a older B engine in a 42 C. The fact that there were no threaded holes or bosses for a generator in the block was a dead giveway that the engine was a mismatch for that C. The engine SN was almost completly covered up by the torque tube with a starter. You can just barely see the tops of the letters and numbers
How were you able to read the engine SN on C30Lonn ? If GARY (WI)s C11 has the engine nunber on the back of the block and it can't be seen is it a CE engine SN?
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Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 5:28am |
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I got in there with a small steel brush to clean it out then put a bright light on it. I could see 35 G but no CE or BE. Since mine has the generator on it I figure it has to be a CE because BE35G wouldn't have a generator? Tonight I'll get it inside and pull the tank and air cleaner so I can get a better look.
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Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:53am |
Lonnie -
You have done it again!
I haven't even got those tires mounted on the Hooter yet!
Congrats!
cheers,
Creek
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Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 11:58am |
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#11 has a generator on it but no surface/ledge as to where they would hve stamped the s# on it Can barely see # on back of block Gary
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Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 9:32pm |
Here is a pic of the engine #, hope you can make it out. On the left CE, middle is 35 and on the right G. I would say it's the original motor. 
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Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 8:01am |
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I would have to bet there aren't many CE engines stamped there. I wonder when they started stamping on the flange?
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