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JPatten71 
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:29am |
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I know this is proably a can of worms but what are your thoughts on gooseneck trialers. What brands do you like? Good or bad exceprices with brands? What kind of ramps do you peffer? Any must have feature or just nice features to add to your goosenecks? Any regreads about your trailer, or things you wish you added?
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DMiller
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:50am |
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Bought a 24’ single wheel tandem with fold sown rear platforms and slide out ramps a decade ago
Company that built it is long out of business as you will find as look to older trailers
Will recommend tandem Dual wheel axles and no they do not wear tires faster or are harder to pull
Frame is narrower generally have Two nose jacks are far more stable and better capacity for that few set of times really need
Get Grease lubed axle bearings not oiled try to avoid fold over ramps as look the easiest but are forever in the way and tend to get locked down if load heavy
Extra side supports braces and stake pocket rub rails are a plus
Add or purchase and install side under slung tool box as well expanded steel line the floor of the neck space for storage
And YES buy a spare with the trailer
As soon as receive if not painted purchase boiled linseed oil and mop the trailer floor with it
Do this every other year
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shameless dude
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:50am |
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right now price is my factor, there are alot of good trailers out there, and made in alot of different locations. i guess i would be interested in dealers in your area mainly for repairs or replacement parts. there is a trailer manuf. place near me, they sell alot of all types of trailers, large dealer network, and after buying one of theirs, i'll never buy another from them. i still use the one i bought, but upkeep is quite high. the good brands are high priced, but prolly less expensive in the long run. Big Tex is a brand that comes to mind as a good trailer, there are others, my mind is a bit fuzzy right now to remember other names. good luck finding what you need!
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DMiller
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 4:05am |
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Gator is a better choice than big tex these days
Stillwell I would take as a gift
Older trail masters are a good unit
Are others but will need to inspect extensively any over five years old
NO torsion ride axles as do not take contortion well and expensive to repair
Check dealers as shameless noted for length in location, service and parts available
Then check what trailers are being used locally by contractors and others
Stay to a common theme
Meant to add
Single tires sidewall sway considerably and no amount of air will stop
Duals also do not sink as fast in soft soil rolling resistance of singles is More than duals as sidewalls do flex more loaded
Will have electric brakes
Make certain it comes with a breakaway kit(now DOT Mandated) and that the truck has a battery charge output to the trailer
Edited by DMiller - 19 Feb 2021 at 4:09am
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 5:34am |
I am seriously thinking about ordering a Kauffman tilting gooseneck. My cousin has a Moritz tilting trailer (16' tilt - 8' stationary) that I have used several times. I really like the idea of not lugging on ramps.
I am interested in the FDWTG-8K-28D ( 14' fixed and 14'6" tilt). Here is a link to the one I am thinking of.
Anyone have any experience with them?
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JW in MO
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 5:43am |
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Anyone have any experience with them? |
I bought a 24’ Kauffman tilt, 14k axels and added the 16” on center framework. Only thing I would do different is get the 28’, mine is 14’ tilt, 10’ flat, the 14’ flat wasn’t an option then but is now. If something happens to mine, I’d order another Kauffman in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 5:44am |
my 2 comments... whatever you get
1) be SURE your truck WILL pull it......safely ! 2) add BACKUP lights !! SHOULD be 'standard eqipment', nobody puts them on though.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 5:59am |
JW in MO wrote:
WF owner wrote:
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I bought a 24’ Kauffman tilt, 14k axels and added the 16” on center framework. Only thing I would do different is get the 28’, mine is 14’ tilt, 10’ flat, the 14’ flat wasn’t an option then but is now. If something happens to mine, I’d order another Kauffman in a heartbeat. |
Thank you !!! I have no experience with Kauffman and was hoping someone did.
We do quite a few parades and now my grandkids are interested in driving (they aren't content handing out American flags or candy anymore). I'm hoping to get two small tractors on the front (maybe an IB and SFW CA) and I know I can easily get a tractor on the back tilt section.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 6:46am |
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WF, I can barely squeeze my CA on the front of the trailer if I raise the lift latches up and extend them past the front bar and the rear tires against the front you barely have enough room to tilt the back deck to get another tractor on. If I load it forward, the tilt hits the rear tires, that’s why I’d get the 28’.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 6:52am |
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I have a trailerman 16' gooseneck with heavier axles and really like it. It trails good loaded or empty and it solidly built with brakes on both axles. I bought it used many years ago and has been low maintenance.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 10:41am |
 one like neighbor has---hyd. tail ,---dual wheel tandem.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 10:48am |
DMiller, why greased bearings and not oiled??? Thought the oiled ones had less rolling resistance and other benefits.
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DMiller
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 11:37am |
Bearing preload is the resistance, once any heat the oil or grease flow regardless. Grease does not throw as will oil, ANY issue with a seal and the oil seal hubs dump, then you are sitting until fixed(DOT) Grease can throw a minor amount and only be messy, also as oil sits runs back off bearings, Are supposed to roll oiled hubs every few weeks to keep oxidation(Corrosion) down by keeping lube on bearings.
Over the road trailer Sure, Oil Hubs, part time use around home maybe do something every so often, Grease. I pull and repack every two years. Hub oil draws moisture, should be changed as soon as color changes or goes opaque.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:31pm |
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Dual jacks, winch, hydraulic ramps (Don’t laugh, the older you get, the nicer that button is!)
Under deck lock box for chains and binders, and 10 feet longer than you think you’ll ever need
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:50pm |
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the only thing I will add, I had one with the monster flip over ramps, like the idea but only had spring assist going up for folding, laying flat on the trailer to unfold was a killer, I got rid of mine for that reason and haven't replaced it yet.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 4:07pm |
jiminnd wrote:
the only thing I will add, I had one with the monster flip over ramps, like the idea but only had spring assist going up for folding, laying flat on the trailer to unfold was a killer, I got rid of mine for that reason and haven't replaced it yet. |
I had one trailer with flip over ramps and my dump trailer has pull out ramps. As I get older, handling the ramps get more of a hassle. After I used the tilting trailer, I was sold on no ramps.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 4:29pm |
Hydraulic Fold Down Beavertail looks sweet. Mine is Mechanical and lever operated to get to ramp ends, could really utilize that entire fold down assembly and gets the Tail that drags on any high spot HIGHER.
Edited by DMiller - 19 Feb 2021 at 4:32pm
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 4:32pm |
ac fleet wrote:
one like neighbor has---hyd. tail ,---dual wheel tandem.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 4:49pm |
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 8:58pm |
 I borrowed my friends Gator trailer to pick up this tractor really liked it, it seems Gator thought of all the little things when they built it with steps and handles where you need them.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 9:09pm |
Getting back to the original poster, you have to decide what your needs (and desires) are, what your budget is, what your truck will handle, what features you want and how much you are going to use it. What may be the ideal rig for me, may not come close to what you want or need.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 10:04pm |
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If you are going to have a hydraulic dove tail then go the extra mile and get the dual hydraulic jacks too, makes unhooking a loaded trailer much easier between weekend tractor shows. An electric winch on the front of the trailer is convenient, if ordering a new trailer it is a cheap add on for the mount bracket and install a winch at a later time. I have loaded several non running trucks and tractors on our trailer with the winch. Good luck with your search, there are many options out there. Talk to others at tractor shows and ask what they like and dont like about their trailers
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 10:03am |
I dare say Red Bank that trailer and tires were pushed to the limit, of course Ive never been there. 
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 11:00am |
#1 What do you need to Haul? How heavy is it?
#2 remember that if the trailer is rated over 10,000 pounds You must have a Class A drivers license. Also 10,000+ pound vehicle as classed a Commercial vehicle and MUST have an annual FMCSA inspection. Any dual tandem meets this standard.
Now as for me I purchased a new trailer in 2010 that is a 20' LanChester aluminum, with OIL hubs, single wheels and torsion suspension. It pulls easy and rides great. This trailer has convinced me to never buy a new steel trailer. Steel trailers that are powder coated will rust under that coating before you know you have a problem. Painted trailers have just have enough paint on them to look pretty the day you first get it. As for length, trailers are like buildings, they're never long enough. I got slide in ramps as I don't like flip overs that limit the use of the space over the ramps and don't work well on uneven ground. I also like the slide in ramps as I have a loading dock at home so I just park the trailer there. Would I do anything different? Maybe 22' long and specify that the gooseneck not be so high so as to clear those newer type pickups that you need a stepladder to get in the bed. Other than that I'm happy with what I have. Make a list of what you want and how you plan to use it and go from there. To each his own on what they like.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:10pm |
PaulB wrote:
#2 remember that if the trailer is rated over 10,000 pounds You must have a Class A drivers license. Also 10,000+ pound vehicle as classed a Commercial vehicle and MUST have an annual FMCSA inspection. Any dual tandem meets this standard. |
Before everyone panics, you only need a Class A CDL if: Required to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, provided the towed vehicle is heavier than 10,000 pounds. (Source: https://driving-tests.org/cdl-classification-licenses/)
Most dual wheeled tandem trailers / dually pickup combinations now fall into that requirement. We are starting to see some "operating out of license class" citations for that reason.
Before people start saying "in my state", remember that CDL's are a federal license that is issued by the state that the licensee lives in. The regulations are federal, not state.
Edited by WF owner - 20 Feb 2021 at 12:18pm
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:25pm |
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Low pro deck height of 30” can be handy for some applications? Regular deck height ~ 36-37”.
Complete height I-beam boxing between two longitudinal I-beam frame is an important structural consideration. It should include front, middle, & rear boxing.
Consider positioning trailer axles all the way to rear of trailer for best ride(less truck bucking) & better weight distribution empty or loaded. Depending on length of trailer, it’s longer wheel base can be more challenging to corner on narrow rural roads.
Dexter axles have many parts distributors available.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:27pm |
Only when a truck/trailer are used in Commerce do the FMCSA rules applicable. Not For Hire Personal use ONLY as for Farm or just moving Own machines is NO need of FMCSA Inspections. Transport a Friends tractor either for cash or barter and NOT be doing it for yourself is considered commerce whether you attempt to hide it or not.
HOWEVER, step across a narrow line on the floor and become Class A Weight while moving a friends machine or flirting with issues by buying/selling machines(Commerce) and get caught, the dogs will be loosed.
Fully intend to License the KW we have as 54,000BL Mo State Plate(Personal Plate) not getting a DOT Number nor interstate commerce license so is no more than a big pickup truck. Will need MO State Inspections, and being a Class 8 will require a DOT Inspect annually but only due to weight class. Will then be able to use to drag my Farm Machines to Nephews place(Our old Farm place in Salem MO) for him to use on maintenance of that place. Will also be able to transport materials I BUY to construct nephews cabin and storage shelter there, he will pay back LATER. Truck will have "NOT FOR HIRE" on both sides, removable signage.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:44pm |
DMiller wrote:
Only when a truck/trailer are used in Commerce do the FMCSA rules applicable. Not For Hire Personal use ONLY as for Farm or just moving Own machines is NO need of FMCSA Inspections. Transport a Friends tractor either for cash or barter and NOT be doing it for yourself is considered commerce whether you attempt to hide it or not.
HOWEVER, step across a narrow line on the floor and become Class A Weight while moving a friends machine or flirting with issues by buying/selling machines(Commerce) and get caught, the dogs will be loosed.
Fully intend to License the KW we have as 54,000BL Mo State Plate(Personal Plate) not getting a DOT Number nor interstate commerce license so is no more than a big pickup truck. Will need MO State Inspections, and being a Class 8 will require a DOT Inspect annually but only due to weight class. Will then be able to use to drag my Farm Machines to Nephews place(Our old Farm place in Salem MO) for him to use on maintenance of that place. Will also be able to transport materials I BUY to construct nephews cabin and storage shelter there, he will pay back LATER. Truck will have "NOT FOR HIRE" on both sides, removable signage. |
If you are claiming that a vehicle over 26,000 lbs. is not a CMV, it can not be used in any way "for compensation" other than a vehicle registered and used specifically for farm use.
I know a guy that has a race car (dirt track car) that has a triple axle enclosed trailer, pulled by a dually pickup (combination over 26,000 lbs.). Since they have the potential to win prize money, even though they do not haul anything for anyone else, they are considered a CMV.
Same deal for guys with pulling tractors.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:56pm |
That is a point of fact. I will NOT be working to attain prizes nor trades goods nor monetary gain, NOT commerce. STILL requires a Class A as the GVWR of the truck and any trailer behind it puts it there, just NOT considered CMV as to DOT regs, do NOT have to run Logs or E-logs, do NOT have to carry load sheets or any other paperwork beyond License and Insurance. 'PERSONAL' Vehicle. All the license class law is based on GVWR of Towing and connected towed units. I will at times pull a RV with it, will still have a 54k BL license on it and still require scaling but nothing beyond that. Should I trade it out to a crew cab Class 7 tow vehicle with Air brakes same rules apply.
Already determined during WRITTEN conversations with State DOT and FED FMCSA Rep.
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