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GSTROM99 
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 3:39pm |
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When repainting the front wheels, what is the preferred/easier order? Paint the cream, then mask off and paint the silver? Or paint the silver, then mask off and paint the cream?
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DSeries4
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 9:53pm |
I don't think there is an easy or preferred way. I told my painter how they should look and let him do it. He did say it took a lot of time. The question is: Do you want it done fast or do you want it done good? I had these done last winter.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 10:12pm |
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What series and years were they painted that way?
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john(MI)
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 11:23pm |
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Paint them all cream or all orange.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 11:25pm |
 AC720Man wrote:
What series and years were they painted that way?
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Not familiar with that scheme myself.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 5:35am |
gee, I'd love to know HOW the factory did it ! All I see is a LOT of tape and time needed to properly mask them and I can't see any mfr doing that unless they had some 'tricks' up their sleeves.I'm thinking shoot the centers,wait a day,mask the centers, shoot the rest, wait, then remove tape.... still seems like a LOT of $$$ work for rims though.... be interesting to know how DS4's were done.
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GSTROM99
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 7:10am |
Mine is a Series 3 D17. Here's what my Grandpa's D15 looked like when new. I'm going with this style.
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ac160
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 7:27am |
I found painting the outside(silver) first and then the cream on the center second.
I used a lot of newspaper and some tape to wrap everything up that I didn't want painted.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 9:29am |
I guess I have done it both ways. But the last ones I did I used some different aluminum and sprayed it first. I had over spray on the centers. Well the cream did not like the silver. Took a month to dry. So try to get paint that is compatable is my point. Same brand primer and top coats. I have used rustoleum spray cans for most of mine. I Think your tractor is going to look awesome with those! I tend to go with more of a cream than a stark white. Just happens to be what I like. some pics:
These are from my rear of the WZ pulling tractor. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 3:26pm |
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Has anybody tried to do the centers first and then put a piece of cardboard over the center and spray the silver? Or do you think too much over spray will get on the cream centers?
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 8:12pm |
I am sure a well designed mask would work pretty well. I am always to lazy to build the mask. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 10:23pm |
Ted J wrote:
Has anybody tried to do the centers first and then put a piece of cardboard over the center and spray the silver? Or do you think too much over spray will get on the cream centers?
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You would still get overspray, and you would not get silver in the slots between the rim and center. If I recall, my painter did cream first, then taped and covered mysteriously - said he ended up using a deck of cards somehow. I didn't see how he did it, but I am happy with the end result.
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GSTROM99
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Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 1:32pm |
Well, I painted the silver first, then the cream. I used rattle can Rustoleum - Aluminum for silver and Almond for cream. Came out pretty good. Good masking is crucial.
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mdm1
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Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 2:04pm |
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DSeries4 I would guess he slid the cards under centers where they attach to the rim. Maskings not that hard just time consuming. I always hated when someone paints the rims and gets over spray on the tires!
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Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 3:46pm |
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MDM 1. Someone posted on here a while ago that a solution to keeping overspray off the tires is this. Cut a circle, just smaller than the outside diameter of a rim bead, in a piece of cardboard. Then deflate the mounted tire and cut the cardboard from the outside to a point on the circle. Slide the cardboard between the tire and rim all the way around. Then paint. It keeps the paint off the tire and eliminates the damage to the paint if you mount the tire after the rim is painted. I used this on the D-14 I am restoring and it worked great. Bob@allisdowneast
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Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 5:00pm |
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Sounds like a great idea!
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 5:34pm |
GSTROM99, The front rims look awesome! You did a good job! Were they sandblasted? I like that paint scheme. But that's just me! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 6:38pm |
  Dismount tire and blasted. POR15 inside rim then mount tire when dried. Do not inflate tire yet. 4 mil plastic cut smaller than rim diameter for a snug fit. I would think painting center first then masking for rim would be easier. I'll let you know when I get that far.
Edited by plummerscarin - 03 Jan 2021 at 6:39pm
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GSTROM99
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 8:37pm |
Thanks! The front tires were bad, that's why I pulled 'em all apart. New Carlisles are 'en route. They were not sandblasted. I just ground the rust off the inside, sanded smooth with 120 grit, masked, primed and painted. If the tires weren't so bad, I wouldn't have done this, but I'm glad I did. I'm not doing a restoration, since it runs good and I think this was a good "barn find". I had to weld up a rusted hole, which I found when I got them cleaned up...
I'm going to have to be careful, when I mount the new tires.
Edited by GSTROM99 - 04 Jan 2021 at 8:41pm
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 8:48pm |
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I had painted some Cub wheels and mounted tires afterward. Even with plastic guards on the irons the paint got chipped. That is why I mounted the tires first before final paint on those 7060 wheels. Inflate the tires after the paint dries. No chips, no overspray
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Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 8:11am |
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Plummerscarin, I like your idea too. Bob@allisdowneast
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Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 11:25am |
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I sprayed the cream centers first and then hand painted the Kentucky chrome next.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2021 at 7:21pm |
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Originally, would the rims have been galvanized and the the painted center riveted in?
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Posted: 07 Jan 2021 at 7:29pm |
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Careful masking helps...I have painted lots of wheels by mounting them on a spindle or axle and turning them as I paint...a steady hand stops overspray....done it on spin outs...spin all the way out , paint, spin all the way in..paint.....Mark
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