This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Allis Chalmers > Farm Equipment
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


185 Clutch?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: 185 Clutch?
    Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 7:31pm
So I was mowing awhile back and as I bounced through a hole the tractor stopped moving. Couple times with clutching and away it went. Then it came to a halt for good and I heard the clutch throw some shrapnel. Anyway I have it split planning on getting a clutch ,pilot bearing and throw out. However I can’t see anything wrong with pressure plate but it has a pretty good grove(to me) cut in it from a spring or something. I only use it to mow and run the hay fluffer so it doesn’t need to be perfect but the mower will pull from time to time. Just wanting opinions on pressure plate. See picture below, it’s the worst grove, hopefully it’s nothing and I’m too paranoid. Flywheel looks perfect.

Oh you can see wear in center of pressure plate but I don’t see this as a problem as there should never be pressure there or maybe not?














"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 7:35pm
Oh, disregard those Budlight cans, we never drink while turning wrenches they were just oil catch cans.  There just happened to be some oil dripping from the roof that I didn't want to get on the tractor.Wink LOL
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
DSeries4 View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Points: 7468
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DSeries4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 9:16pm
I would put a new pressure plate while you are already in there.  The grooves might cause uneven wear on the new clutch plate.
'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
Back to Top
Rick View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Jonesburg,Mo.
Points: 3689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 1:51am
You need to have the entire clutch rebuilt to do the job right... Pressure plate groove is from the button pads wearing into it and needs to be resurfaced, along with the flywheel...the disc is obvious, throw out bearing and pilot bearing. I can do the job for 225.00, plus whatever the shipping charges might be...you can have the flywheel resurfaced locally there and save money on the heavy shipping charges. You're already that close to having the flywheel off with taking out the bolts, so why not have it turned and it'll last a long time? Send me a private message, if interested...Rick
Back to Top
Bret (OH) View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Blanchester, OH
Points: 353
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bret (OH) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 4:53am
No way I would split a tractor for a clutch disc and not replace Pressure Plate and both bearings, and by all means resurface the flywheel.
Remember that whatever is removed from the clutch surface of the flywheel also needs to be removed from the pressure plate mounting surface.  There is a specification for that dimension.  I don't have access to the manual now but others will know the dimension.

Also, if it were me, and if you are not going to be using it for heavy draft loads, replace the button clutch with a fiber lined disc.  It will engage much less "grabby" than the button.
Back to Top
Rick View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Jonesburg,Mo.
Points: 3689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 5:21am
The flywheel step is 1.437 and what is taken off the face of that is also taken from the top flange of the flywheel where the pressure plate mounts...flywheel depth...

Back to Top
MACK View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Points: 7664
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MACK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 6:35am
Do it right or don't complain if it don't work good and last.            MACK
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 7:06am
What's your thoughts on the wear on the pressure plate housing?  Probably just get a new pressure plate?


Edited by Kansas99 - 08 Dec 2020 at 7:06am
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
Rick View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Jonesburg,Mo.
Points: 3689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 7:11am
The pressure plate can be resurfaced, not a problem at all and can have the thickness brought back to where it should be by using thicker pads to pick up the difference, but it NEEDS the flywheel to be resurfaced, so that the buttons can seat in good. Take the flywheel to a machine shop that actually resurfaces flywheels...they do a far better job than a lathe...and will put the correct cut on it to knock off the high spots on the buttons...
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 7:23am
Rick, I understand that but my concern was where the pressure plate back is wore in the center, the metal is pretty thin in that spot.(picture 2)
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
Rick View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Jonesburg,Mo.
Points: 3689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 7:29am
Okay...I never saw that...that's where the loose center hub out of the clutch disc slung around inside there and cut a pretty good groove in it...it's okay, as I do have another unit I can use (core) and just use the parts out of your old one later...pressure plate, cups...things like that...

Back to Top
farmboycitygirl View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level


Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Location: 66528
Points: 127
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote farmboycitygirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 8:36am
Been there done that - split the tractor to rebuild the engine should have replaced the throw out bearing, it went out the next year and screwed the pressure plate.
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21624
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 9:07am
Standard procedures while tractor is split: #1. replace clutch disc and pressure plate. #2. resurface flywheel.  #3. replace rear crankshaft seal and wear sleeve.  #4. replace clutch shaft seals(s) and gasket. #5 replace throw out brg.  #6. replace pilot bearing. ..  Anything short of these things and you will one day have to get back in there for something.
Back to Top
HudCo View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jan 2013
Location: Plymouth Utah
Points: 3844
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HudCo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 9:43am
dont forget to turn the ring gear.  by now i am sure one side is wore out or has some  wear spots wear the engine always stops.  theres nothing more annoying than a starter that will not engage
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21624
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 9:57am
That would be #7.
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 11:21am
Any thoughts on why that clutch came apart.
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21624
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 11:55am
Old age. Shock loads. Dumping the clutch. Heavy PTO loads. Many clutches fail like that in 4 to 5,000 hrs. How many are on it ??
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 1:42pm
Not sure,bought it used with a new tach, oops I mean 156 original.LOL   Kinda looks like it's been replaced already, Pilot bearing being made in Korea guessing not original.  It has had some random heavy loads on pto from 7ft mower in some big ugly weeds but not often.


Edited by Kansas99 - 09 Dec 2020 at 1:44pm
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
ksbowman View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 19 Mar 2013
Location: Paola, Ks
Points: 228
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ksbowman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 5:32pm
A 7' mower isn't much on a 185. I run a 15' batwing on my 170 and 180 diesels and they handle them easily. Even in heavy stuff.
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21624
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 6:00pm
It isn't too much unless you hit something. I've seen a One-Eighty that corkscrewed the PTO shaft with a 7 ft mower when hitting something pretty solid.

Edited by DrAllis - 09 Dec 2020 at 6:01pm
Back to Top
ksbowman View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 19 Mar 2013
Location: Paola, Ks
Points: 228
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ksbowman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 7:41pm
Sounds like they didn't check their gear box clutch and adjust it every spring.
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2020 at 6:53pm
Got the 185 back together. Nice day today so went ahead and gave it a quick rinse. Took time to get a couple pics.





Even put a SMV sign on it so it’s road legal.

"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21624
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2020 at 7:40pm
Be sure to adjust the clutch pedal free-play to 4 inches and that will give you many years of service life.  That's a sharp looking tractor and the OEM muffler always stands out compared to any after-market muffler.
Back to Top
FREEDGUY View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 15 Apr 2017
Location: South West Mich
Points: 5396
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FREEDGUY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2020 at 7:46pm
Doc, may I ask what is different about an aftermarket muffler? Just curios is all. Can an OEM be had from a dealer anymore ? Thanks
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2020 at 9:10pm
Thanks Dr.

I will check free play, I wasn't sure what it needed to be.  I have a fair amount but not sure if it's 4 inches,  I went till I knew the throw out was off plate but not a lot.  
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
IBWD MIke View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 08 Apr 2012
Location: Newton Ia.
Points: 4017
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IBWD MIke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 5:17am
That's a great looking machine! 185's are one of my favorites.
Back to Top
Lonn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: Назарово,Russia
Points: 29792
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 7:19am
Your 185 is a gem! Glad you got it going again.

I prefer the looks of that series of tractors with the racing stripes. I like the looks of my 200 too and am tickled to finally have a 200. I've wanted one since I was a little kid and playing with my cousin's toy 200 and me and my brother each got the hot rod pulling tractor 200 from the local dealer back in about 1975, I was 6 years old. 

My real 200 is a 1975 model without the racing stripe but it is still a pretty tractor. Next I want a 185 as nice as yours, would settle for a 180.

I hope I didn't hijack your post.
-- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... -
Wink
I am a Russian Bot
Back to Top
Kansas99 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 26 Feb 2015
Location: W Kansas
Points: 4867
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kansas99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 7:58am
Thanks Lonn, I would agree I think that series is the best looking tractor without a cab Allis ever made.(although a 5020 is cute)  Something about that long square hood.  You could set them beside a JD, Case, IH, or any other of that era and the Allis IMO is easily the best looking one.
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
Back to Top
DougG View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 20 Sep 2009
Location: Mo
Points: 8283
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DougG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 8:37am
Good looking tractor for sure, see you put a Grammer seat on it -  how do you like it ?
Back to Top
Lonn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: Назарово,Russia
Points: 29792
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 9:31am
Oh BTW, and I'm not trying to criticize, but you should build a jack stand for that job. That blocking and bottle jack looks precarious. Wouldn't want a forum member to get hurt.
-- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... -
Wink
I am a Russian Bot
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 1.180 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum