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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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DARN YOU SHAMELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, I'm looking for a way, without running plumbing, in a way to heat up the cab on my 190XTD. It does not have any heat/air and I'm not looking to get fancy/expensive. Is there any recommendations on cab heaters, preferably with a fan to blow towards the front/rear/side glass so I can see out? If it puts out enough to warm me up, great but not a requirement, I have good gloves/coat. Even if I have to install 2 units, one forward, one backwards to defrost glass, that's ok. Last 12v unit I tried many years back was a waste of $$, have not looked in last few years. Any suggestions? Probably going to be fun to get her running during our winters as we dip below zero alot. I have a magnet heater on bottom of pan and am thinking an electric blanket wrapped around the engine? She sits outside, will be next to house so can plug 'er in. Previous owner(s) disconnected the either tank and disconnected the manifold heater. I would like to get that going if I get time, but time is limited right now. I have the either bottle/hardware on hand. The hose ran down beside the manifold but was not connected. I'm not sure how it is supposed to go? There is a plug in the manifold that looks like it should go there but it is plugged, I am not sure if I can just screw it in there (after removing plug), or if I will need an adapter? Until I get that fixed, I have a couple cans of either but would rather do it easier. Thanks for any info!
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Straanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2019 Location: Michigan Points: 26 |
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I’ve seen several brands of 12v. defrosters for sale in truck stops (those old diesels never warmed up enough to warm the driver and keep the windows clear ). A search of trucking websites should help steer you away from the junk.
Where I live in Michigan, almost every AMC car I have ever seen had a plug-in block heater, usually a heater hose one, but since you don’t have a heater, that type won’t do you much good. Sorry. |
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Tad Wicks ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Location: Shandon, CA Points: 2160 |
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Take a look at the older Same Frutettos, they had an air cooled Lambordini engine so they had two alternators to run an electric heater and AC unit, the Deutz Allis with the aircooled engine might be similar. Should none of that work, may be a smudge pot on the roof
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AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4727 |
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I do not recommend using ether. It is hard on engines. A good block heater is your best bet. My XT has a Pre heater, although it works okay, a block heater is preferred. Warming the anti freeze which warms the block makes a huge difference. Our 6060 starts right up after 45 minutes with the block heater. It has ether also but we rarely use it. I have been wanting to install a block heater on my XT also but dread disconnecting all the plumbing to get to the freeze plug. Some day I will get to it.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8070 |
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duetz used engine oil for heater in combines
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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I hate either, it's a last resort! I don't know this tractor very well yet, where is the freeze plug on a 190 diesel? Had a neighbor's wife (hubby was away for his job) start up, or try to start up their 4020 with either. She first put the throttle about half.... the result... not good, that engine went to pieces in a big hurry. Yea, either is real bad, esp. in the hands of a city-girl. I was thinking of the oil heater but have not seen one of those in years. They still make them? Would be better than nothing for sure.
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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go to a combine scrap yard and get 1-2 of them little box cab heaters in them. just hook up 2 hoses and a wire and they are working. have used them in passenger vans before and other tractor cabs. cheap and easy! i think the ones out of IH combines would be the easiest to get out of the cabs, they are right next to the door.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50763 |
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Try Surpluscenter.com, they have 2 listed on their site. Alls it takes if you wanna do it on the cheap is a heater core and a fan, but then you have to rig up the ducting...
Here's one that looks pretty good: |
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21679 |
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Up here you can buy 'diesel truck heaters' for about $250 Canucks. Would be a lot easier on the tractor batteries compared to ANY electric unit. you need a LOT of amps to go electric.. you need a lot of hose to go hot water... you need 'install time' for diesel... electric is easiest to instal, though you'll need GOOD, heavy wire for the TWO power leads. to me the hot water from engine would be the 2nd 'cleanest', though I don't know about cost for the 'heater core/fan unit'. the diesel units do put out a LOT of heat though kinda noisy... wish I had your problem, I don't have a cab on ANY of my oranges.... Jay
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22816 |
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As for starting in the cold, just borrow the wife's hair dryer and stick in the air intake for a while before cranking it over. I've heard guys swear by that as an easy winter start helper for diesels.
My little utility diesel(Red and Grey) will start really easy after just a half hour of the block heater running. That would be handy, if the power steering would ever warm up enough to work in the winter. |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11595 |
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There's all kinds of universal heaters for sale on e-bay pretty inexpensive. I picked one up for my hotrod. There are some that use the coolant for heat, and some that are 12V that have a coil in them and fan to blow heat. You need to do some research and some shopping for one that will do the job. The one I got uses the coolant to heat. Its for my Model T coupe, so there's probably less cabin space in that than your 190XT Cab. The unit I got has three different vents on it... HTH Steve@B&B
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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Thanks for the suggestions! I'm thinking of a
Proheat Heavy Duty Fluid Reservoir Heater Model 1325 (500 Watts, 4.2 Amp, 120 Volts) Ideal for Oil Pans from 3 to 6 Gallons of Lube (12 to 25 Litres) and from 20 to 50 Gallons of Hydraulic Oilfrom Amazon for the engine. I can work on cab heating once I get a reliable way to start it during the winter. I'd really like to put a block heater in but don't yet know where the freeze plug is. Guess I'll go out and look 'er over to locate it/see if possible to replace easily.
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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Looking at the Agco parts online, it shows a heater, coolant plug drawn above the engine, it does not show where it goes. I assume it is on the left side of the block? Anyone have exact location? Picture? I'm going to go out and see if I can find the location, I don't mind having to remove a few parts to get to it as long as it's not a major job.
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Tad Wicks ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Location: Shandon, CA Points: 2160 |
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A bit off topic, but it amazes me when you guys talk of heaters in the combine cabs, here on the left coast AC is imperative, it is usually 105-110 degrees or more. I did have to wear a jacket once when cutting safflower in November, other than that the cab is a sweat box without AC.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2610 |
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Yeah Tad , I'm here in my shop with the A/C on . I'm ready for some cool weather . Thanks !
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9263 |
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I'm frugal. Is there anyway to hang some canvas on the sides and duct the engine heat back into the cab? Heat housers used to do the job and with a cab to catch it all you should be toasty warm. I don't have any sides on my little blower tractor, and it doesn't take long for the cab to get warm from the engine heat!
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8070 |
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In this part of the world...you need both.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18743 |
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Depends on how long you are outside in it at a time....
You can kill two birds with one stone if you get one of these: https://www.mrheater.com/product/heaters/buddy-series.html They have them at Walmart, Tractor Supply, Dicks Sporting Goods, Home Depot, just about anywhere that sells sporting goods. Good luck with it. I haven't been out in ND for quite a few years hunting, but it's not as cold as WI I think. Maybe a little windier.... ![]() You can put a tarp over the tractor and put the heater under it and warm it up nicely. Then you take it and put it in the cab. TADA.....problem solved and kind of cheaply. I don't have a tractor with a housing on it (BRRRR) , but they start real easy with the tarp and heater underneath. Edited by Ted J - 19 Oct 2020 at 4:14pm |
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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I have one of those, it spends most the winter sitting over 3 foot of ice in our ice fishing shanty. I have/am considering using it in the cab but the important thang is getting her to fire up when it's minus 20. With the wind blowing, you don't stay out of the cab long or shanty very long.
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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The wind is soooo strong here, I've lost several tarps. I gave up on buying those things a while back. Have had them blow off with alot of weight holding them down, otherwise I would with a torpedo heater going below.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18743 |
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No shed to put it in?? No wonder it starts hard! Build yourself a small building that you can put it in and then fire up the torpedo and warm it all up about a half hour before you want to start it. That should do it.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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If your tractor needs just a little boost to start, try using windshield ice melt. Cheap, east to use and doesn't either lock. Works for me. Course I don't plan on being out there when it's that cold. Leon
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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Yup, no shed big enough. IF this covid cwap dies down... I will not spend anymore winters here to care. We were going to snowbird starting this year, BUT...... wife won't leave the place now. Soooo, I need to get this old gal going but hopefully for this coming winter only..... I miss southern AZ and NM bout this time of year.
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Tad Wicks ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Location: Shandon, CA Points: 2160 |
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This used to work great on the old open deck cats when I was young and dumb and the San Joaquin Tule Fog used to sit up on the hilltops with the East wind blowing like 60, you just can't put on enough clothes to get warm, but the canvases along the engine to the fuel tank made it great for everything below your shoulders as long as you didn't have a pusher fan. |
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21679 |
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re: Is there anyway to hang some canvas on the sides and duct the engine heat back into the cab? After an election , I grabbed some big 'vote 4 me' signs and 'repurposed' them to be side shrouds for my D-14. It did help keep the engine warmer,though with no cab, I was still out in the cold.... |
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darrel in ND ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8595 |
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The plug in the intake manifold that you speak of is actually a manifold heater. If wired properly, and working, it'll help tremendously, and safely with cold starts. Wire to it should come off a solenoid. Activated by turning the key switch to what is normally start position on other applications, and hold it there for 30 seconds to a minute, depending on how cold it is, then fire it up! Darrel
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NDBirdman ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: ND Points: 1373 |
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Thanks Darrel, it's there but disconnected before the plug and wrapped in electrical tape. The wiring on this thing is a mess, I don't think it's connected at the switch. I need to dig into it so I can hook up the lights and the heater. I wish there was a way to talk to the previous owner but he no longer knows who/where he is so not possible. Any idea where the frost plug is so I could put a block heater in? Edited by NDBirdman - 20 Oct 2020 at 8:30am |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8070 |
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Wasn't there a post here in the past year about putting a heat element in a 301 block? Someone removed a freeze plug near the rear of the block?
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jon ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 2010 Location: clark mo Points: 128 |
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For heat in the cab,I have seen someone use a propane heater. They mounted a car rim on to the frame for the tank,ran the hose into the cab and fastened the heater inside.
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darrel in ND ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8595 |
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I will have to look at my XT to see where my block heater is at. I am not exactly sure how to test the manifold heater, but I am sure that an ohm meter would tell you a lot about it. Darrel |
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