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    Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 9:48pm
We have not planted corn since the 80’s when the market was terrible for 3 years in row. So I have not kept up with new planting practices. I was working along 2 large fields when the farmer showed up with a NH8970 4WD tractor and 3 row NH pull behind chopper. Followed by his entourage of wagons and another big NH tractor. As I admired his days work versus mine I noticed how the chopper really pulled the big NH tractor down at times and how quickly he filled a wagon. Cool thing was they were both using the quick hitches on the chopper and wagons. Never got out of the tractor to unhook or hitch up the wagons. Cool device that I had seen before but never seen in action. Anyway I couldn’t believe how fast the wagons filled up. So I walked over to the corn field and noticed that there were actually 2 offset(Alternating) rows of corn 6 inches apart in the same row! Still spaced at 30”. So the next time a tractor showed up I asked the driver about what I was seeing. He said their planter had 2 offset planters per row, so they are actually chopping 6 rows at a time versus 3. Allows them to double their crop. Now I know why that tractor was snorting at times. So my question is to you corn farmers out there, are you also doing this and how long has this been a practice? I found it not only interesting but smart! Obviously the ground can handle the extra corn sucking the nutrients out of it. They had a beautiful stand of corn.

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Yeah, twin row planting it’s called. Been on the market for at least 10 years. They say it works good.
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They don't really double the crop.  Each of the row units in a "twin" set of rows is only planting at half rate.  They still plant 30-35,000 seeds per acre.  The thought is the extra spacing in twins lets each seed do even better and at 6-7" apart, they can still combine or chop them with traditional equipment.  The old AC 20" row spacing is coming back around for a few guys too.  Same story.  Still the same seeds per acre, but they have more "leg room" in each row.
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Some people push the population, but not to double. Not much around here, gotta go 50 miles south to the better ground and better season.
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Twin rows were happening here in the late 80's...seem to be certain farmers that do it.  Not a lot of them.  
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Now here they are trying twin row corn spaced 42 or 60 inches apart, then they plant a cover crop between the rows, same population, just spread out.  First year around here, will be interesting to see results.  The big push is for a good cover crop.
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Great plains made a twin row planter. Little bit of it around here at one time, but for some reason didn't catch on. I"m riding the fence on it. Guess I would have to try it before I said it was a good thing or bad. Darrel
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So much depends on the area and what other crops equipment is used for, Dairy farms around here use the 15" bean planters to plant corn intended for silage but you have to have one of the new style rotary chopping heads to chop.
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Never seen anything of the twin rows around here. However back when I was in high school I ran a chopper for the summer for a farmer that was laid up. He had planted a white kernel corn that grew to be about 18' tall, the kernels were bigger than a large man's thumbnail. The tractor he has was a green 4010 with a 38 chopper with a 2 row head. It was all I could do to chop 1 row at a time in grampa gear.  It took well over 2 days to do a 25 acre field. The ones hustling wagons knew where to come just be watching the cloud of smoke. 
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Heard it said that twin rows don't do so well in northern climates. Something about the length of season and sunlight. Some around here but not much. More 20 in rows showing up.
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The studies I have seen, show ultra narrow rows perform best north of Hwy 20, as there are more plants to take advantage of the sunlight. Personally, if I was going to change, it would be to 22" rows.
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Another thought, here a few are doing 20 or 22 inch, they like there beans in those widths so the corn goes the same and they can use the same planter.
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Originally posted by bigal121892 bigal121892 wrote:

The studies I have seen, show ultra narrow rows perform best north of Hwy 20, as there are more plants to take advantage of the sunlight. Personally, if I was going to change, it would be to 22" rows.


I’ve heard the same but seems it would shine in arid climates also. Roots more evenly placed and canopy faster.
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I’ve been planting 8” twin rows on 30” centers since 2009 for grain production. Certain hybrids embrace the concept, while others not so much. Increasing plant densities depends on many factors ~ soil’s Opportunities(OM, CECs, PH, structure, tillage, & drainage-to list a few), multiple split timing N applications, & ROI inputs. Although twin row planters do double their row units, regular 30” corn header will harvest 8” twins just fine with a slightly slower forward driving speed.

Like corn, twin row soybeans & wheat also offer increased plant spacing, airflow, & solar interaction versus ultra narrow row spacing.

This concept also allows for post ground tracking for applications of N & pesticides.

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Thanks for your post and picture, 7060. The picture really puts it into perspective. Darrel
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC720Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 4:29pm
So how much extra product do you think you get? I found this very interesting and have never seen or heard of this being done? Did you modify your planter and buy one with this setup?
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Here’s a video link that discusses twin rows. I’m not a proponent for the video’s advertising brand. I just feel that this video explains twin row’s simple mathematics.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQAML6ekPA
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Is there any other company besides Great Plains that makes a twin row planter.....? Darrel
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Here’s another web link of a manufacturer of Twin row planters, Monosem. Their link offers further advantages/dimensions of corn plant spacing. Per the OP’s topic, it list “increases tonnages in silage.”
I don’t own this brand either. I custom built my own twin row.
http://monosem-inc.com/ng-twin-row/

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I know of several guys around here who modified Deere 7000 and 7100 planters. One of them welded extensions and a second tool bar behind the front row units With the rear lift wheels.

I personally have a 12 row 7100 that dad and I turned into a 10 row 18” planter with Kinze bean meters. Works really well.

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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Some go narrower and some go wider

Exactly. Never a fix-all solution. But there’s always challenges. I also like the idea of 60” solar corn with inter-cropped cooperative cover crops. I don’t plant twin rows to ever acre, just those acres, situations, and/or conditions that merit it.
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