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    Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 7:29am
I found a couple of WDs on MachineFinder.  Their both at the same dealership, and the dealer isn't too far away from me.  I usually am a John Deere and Farmall guy, but the prices on these seem reasonable, and they appear to be about the size of a Farmall H, which I don't have yet.  One is just a parts tractor with remnants of a loader.  The other one looks to be in decent shape and is supposed to run.

I'm not that familiar with AC tractors nor the WDs, so any information would help, i.e. what to look for, what's good about them, what's not so good, what problem areas, etc.  Someone on the Farmall Cub forum mentioned about the low seat which I wouldn't care too much for.  I have a Farmall B that the seats too low, in my opinion.

This is my first post, so I hope it's okay to post links to the tractors in question.


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A WD was closer in size to a Farmall M than a H. WD were 34.6 belt HP at Nebraska tractor tests. I believe the M's were 36. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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The Farmall M was around 36-37 hp, while the later Super M was around 45 hp.  The Farmall H was about 26 hp.  I believe the weight and size of a WD, though, is closer to the Farmall H, while the M was a bit heavier and larger than the H.  I was basically comparing physical size and weight of the WD to the H.  I believe the Super H brought the hp rating to around what the WD had, though.
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I've got three of them here and they are the ones that generally get used the most.  One has a loader and one has the bush hog mounted.  Great tractors.  And those look like very good prices from where I'm sitting!
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I might take some heat posting this— I would go after the Wd-45 for the same reason as the super M and spend a little more as they seem to hold value better. I have been at many sales and have seen some very nice WD tractors only sell around the 900$ mark. A Wd with added power steering would make a nice unit to rake hay with, doing small things if you are planning to use it. Don’t think I would jump on that one real quick though.
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All yes— one more thought, you need a little longer left leg for these tractors! On the pros side— The hand clutches are very nice and maybe it’s best feature. Allis goveners make more fun with PTO implements over IH in my opinion as well. Negative side— hard on your back and very slow on the road.
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If they were closer I would probably be hauling both home and I don't need either one. You might be able to get both for $1,000.
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Originally posted by Hubert (Ga)engine7 Hubert (Ga)engine7 wrote:

If they were closer I would probably be hauling both home and I don't need either one. You might be able to get both for $1,000.

Me too!

That first one is a pretty nice looking tractor with good sheet metal.
If the included 3PH is a good one, that in itself is worth about $300.
Having a parts tractor is always a plus. Who knows, you might  be able to get that one running too. 
Hard to tell but the rear wheels don't appear to be all rusted away.......another big plus.
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Like any tractor rims and tires cost a lot if they need to be replaced, the ones in the picture look good.   If it starts right up and runs good and has oil pressure about in the middle of the gauge $900 sounds fair.   WD's are one of my favorite tractors problem is they are around 70 years old, bound to need fixing.
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T-Mo,
 Welcome to the Allis TRACTOR forum. The WD in the first link should be a $900 to $1100 tractor. give or take your mileage may vary.
I also have a soft spot for these old tractors!
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Welcome to the forum.
What made you choose a WD
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Although I have a WD, I have to agree with allisbred, a WD45 with power steering will make you happier with that one option alone. They do however fetch a higher price. The straight cut gears in the WD are noisy especially in 3rd gear. That was resolved in the WD45. Also have a few more hp. Either are good tractors, my WD is 70 years old but still works hard on our farm.
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Thanks guys.  You all have given me a lot to think about.  I learned a lot about the WDs reading through the comments here.  I'm about 85 miles away from this dealership, so I asked them to make a video of the nicer one running and driving, so i can make up my mind if I want to drive over there with a trailer.  In the meantime, if anyone here is close enough to pick them up, have at it.  I'm on the fence about adding an Allis or two, or another tractor of any color for that matter.  So it wouldn't bother me any of these went to a good home.
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Oh, one last question.  How well can a WD handle a No. 8 Little Genius (IH) 2 bottom plow?  I believe the bottoms are 12 inch.
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T-Mo,
 In the right soil a WD can put 3 14's. But they do real good with a set of 14 two bottoms in almost all soils. Yes the WD45 has more HP They were our big tractors on my Dads farm until the early 1970's. They did all the work in the fields, with very little maintenance.
If you take the trailer take the check book too. They have a way of pulling at the heart and wallet strings. Bring them home. Give them some time to grow on you. They are very different from the IH equipment, in how they feel. 
Having grown up on them, it's second nature to me. And yes my left leg has grown a inch longer for the years on them.
They are a lot of tractor for the size. 
Lots of them made and lots of good parts out there too.
Hope that helps.
Here is the thing with the tractors, lots of folks want a tractor and see the price compared to a brand new Kubota and think they will do the same job. No these are antique tractors made to pull plows and do field work, not made to do lawn work. There are a few of us old folks that have the funds and the interest to have them. My guess is if you make the dealer a reasonable offer you will own them.
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My dad had a Little Genius 2-14 trailer plow. He put a pair of Oliver Rad-X bottoms on it, not sure Rad-X is spelled right.

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I rarely sat in the seat with both feet on the foot rests on a WD. I sat with my left foot on the plate below the seat. Seemed more comfortable to me. I just used the hand clutch for nearly every action and it doesn't take much to swing my foot up to the foot clutch if needed.

The first tractor I drove was Dad's WD at about 9 years old. Easy to drive and you could hitch up the drawbar by standing on the ground and using the hand clutch to back up slowly..... not recommended these days!

For show everyone prefers the WD45 just because it's a WD45 and set a benchmark for the competition as far as performance goes but a good WD will do almost everything a good 45 will do but just one bottom less and if at some time in it's life someone put a WD45 crankshaft in it then it will perform right along with a WD45. As far as noise goes, if you are driving an M Farmall already then you are used to the noisy transmission. A late 1952 model WD or any 1953 WD will hav ethe same quiet transmission of the WD45. A curved shift stick should mean it has a helical gear WD45 transmission type.

One thing though. Don't expect it to keep pace with a Farmall M because IH way back in about 1960 discontinued the standard 3-7/8 bore low compression flat top piston kits and replaced them with Fire Crater kits that pushed the 36 hp M to about 50 hp. Allis provided the standard kits WD flat top kits until sometime in the 1990's or even early 2000's. My dealer would discourage customers from upgrading to a 45 kit and crank or D17 kit and 45 crank. They pushed standard kits. A 45 can tear up a PTO gear box in heavy use like a silage chopper.


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Again, great information and comments.  I keep swinging back and forth on this - I'm used to the Farmalls since I owned some, and have driven other Farmalls.  But I have heard some good things on the Allis tractors, so when I ran across these two, it got my mind swirling thinking about trying out an Allis.
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I wonder what has "syncro" in a WD  LOL It sure ain't the transmission.
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Sometimes the seat will bounce in syncro to the lope in the tires Wink
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$900 for a good running WD seems fair to me here in IL. If I lived closer, I'd probably bring that one home haha.
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There will always be a good deal show up later on. You should find a buddy who has an Allis and go play around on it for a spell and that would help sort out you decision.
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Dealer sent me a video of the one running and driving.

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I think your getting orange fever T-Mo. Don't fight it just buy it. lol
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3 pt, 12v conversion, sounds good, wheels appear to be in good shape. Tires are decent, yeah its worth $900 from what I can see.
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For the $900 to me it’s a no brainer.   Get it home!
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If I buy this one, I might as well get the parts tractor also and maybe bundle them together to get a better price.
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Originally posted by T-Mo T-Mo wrote:

If I buy this one, I might as well get the parts tractor also and maybe bundle them together to get a better price.

Exactly!!!
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I agree with the advice you're getting. Someone trustworthy needs to own it and fix those front wheels - they're YELLOW!
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Thanks guys, for the information.

Question:  On the farmallcub forum site, they have an area of free downloads for manuals, brochures, literature, etc.?  Does anyone here have a link that would have that for the Allis equipment?

BTW, after talking to the dealer on the phone yesterday, I'm pretty sure I bought from that dealer a few years ago when I bought an used 2002 John Deere 717 zero turn, which I'm still using today.

One thing I'm good at, or two things, procrastination and indecision.....Smile
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