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    Posted: 18 Jun 2020 at 11:35pm
Considering the tracked loaders that in every other way resemble a rubber-tired skid-steer loader, is it proper to still call them a skid-steer loader ?

Do they skid around just like the tire-eating rubber-tired models; or, does one track go forward while the other goes backward - like a dozer ?

I like to call a goat a goat and a sheep a sheep, but there seems to be a lot of grey area here.
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I call them rubber track loaders.  I have an ASV-RC30.  A little older than this one:

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'skid steer' to me is HOW the machine drives.... so a tank is a 'skid steer', as is an excavator... as they steer by skidding
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If you can afford tracks go with tracks. Better ride, MUCH better traction, way less ground pressure. If there's any way possible my next machine will be a track
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Dave, my son has a Bobcat T190 . About 7000 pounds and 60 HP.. It will do everything i see in your movie... What it has problem with is climbing a 45 degree slope for long distance. Seems the hydraulics run out... Is that normal or ??   Seems to work real good on the level or 20 degree slopes and in partial mud.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

'skid steer' to me is HOW the machine drives.... so a tank is a 'skid steer', as is an excavator... as they steer by skidding

While linguistically accurate, that is not what it is to ~100% of farmers and construction workers in the USA. It's a specific machine.
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I have a tire skid steer. Would rather have a tracked machine with pilot controls. Better ride and easier all around.
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Dave is the ASV and pos track company still going? About 20 years ago they had a local dealer that sold some. From what I had heard the company had gone away and not many parts to keep them going. Or is this a successor company that is using the name and not supporting the old stuff? 
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Mine are tires and I wouldnt give you a dime for a trainload of rubber tracked ones!!! Tracks are expensive to replace, dont last long in hard use, and tear up everything worse than tires do,---neighbor found that out the hard way and went back to tires.
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When listed for sale come up as a CTL or Compact Track Loader and a few can come on steel tracks these days.
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

When listed for sale come up as a CTL or Compact Track Loader and a few can come on steel tracks these days.


In my area, I would say that the ones on steel outnumber the rubber-tracked three to one.

If these things eat tracks as quick as the tire ones eat tires, they could give you the machine and make a big profit selling replacement tracks.
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Originally posted by Ray54 Ray54 wrote:

Dave is the ASV and pos track company still going? About 20 years ago they had a local dealer that sold some. From what I had heard the company had gone away and not many parts to keep them going. Or is this a successor company that is using the name and not supporting the old stuff? 

Ray, ASV went to crap, when they were owned by terex...  Then they bought themselves out of that boondoggle, Back, better than ever.  Mine is a early unit, pre terex involvement, 2500 hours or so, and not many problems.  But when something breaks, its usually in the muddiest situation...Ouch
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I have a tired one, works for me, have driven tracked one and on hard ground I hated it, rough riding, vibrate bad, in soft ground was great.
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The little guys are "skid steers" with tires or tracks....the big guys(Cat  Deere Kumatsu) etc are track loaders as opposed to rubber tired loaders
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Yanmar bought ASV last year. They are made right up the road from me. Haven't heard much about what they are doing or if they are making changes.
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Are Gehl still making them with Yanmar diesels, or are they too now owned by Yanmar?
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Originally posted by Mactractor Mactractor wrote:

Are Gehl still making them with Yanmar diesels, or are they too now owned by Yanmar?

Yanmar and Manitou strengthen their strategic alliance

October 29, 2013
Yanmar Co., Ltd.

Osaka and Ancenis, October, 22, 2013

Yanmar announced today that it has acquired 6.26% of the capital and voting rights of Manitou BF. The shares were acquired from the French bank Société Générale. This shareholding investment comes as the two groups enhance their strategic alliance, expanding cross distribution into Mexico and Latin America.
Manitou families and management are very pleased of the transaction and see it as a very positive development. Mr. Marcel Braud, Chairman of the Board of Directors stated: "I would like to thank Société Générale for having always stood by us and for permitting the arrival of our partner, Yanmar, as an equity investor in Manitou". Mrs. Jacqueline Himsworth, Vice-Chairperson of the Board of Directors added: "I remain very confident in the role Société Générale will continue to play in the financial support of our group."
Mr. Takehito Yamaoka, the President of Yanmar co.ltd stated: “Manitou is well-respected as the market leader in the telescopic handler, so it is exciting for Yanmar to have closer relationship with them through this capital investment. It is becoming more necessary for each player to have wide range of product line-up in today’s construction market, but we believe the product synergy through this strategic alliance will let the two companies become more attractive and help us to find more chances to see new customers.”
In January of 2012, Manitou and Yanmar announced the signing of a strategic alliance in North America for which the initial results have been very positive. Manitou Americas, throughout North America, distributes Yanmar’s compact excavators under the Gehl and Mustang brand names while Yanmar America distributes Compact Equipment skid steers and track loaders under its brand name. This agreement also enhances the groups’ 25 year partnership regarding engines. Through constant collaboration, the Yanmar engine offering for the Compact Equipment division has met performance expectations in a changing regulatory environment. At that time, the two groups specified that "Further complimentary value-creating initiatives can provide the opportunity to strengthen their distribution organizations. The strengthened alliance of the two companies will focus on enhancing market creditability and service to their dealers and customers."
The arrival of Yanmar as a Manitou shareholder embodies the will to strengthen their industrial and commercial partnerships over the long-term. “To include Yanmar among the shareholders that accompany and support our development is proof of the solidity of our industrial and familial model and its growth potential", stated Mr. Dominique Bamas, President & CEO of Manitou.
On his side, Mr. Tetsuya Yamamoto, the Director of Yanmar co., ltd. and the General manager of Corporate Planning Division, said: “Our synergetic alliance had a good start in the US market, we are sure this investment will bring the two companies a good result.” Empowered by this capital link, Manitou and Yanmar will seek other development opportunities while working to reinforce their independent dealer networks.
Mr. Dominique Bamas stated "In addition to having very similar corporate cultures, the synergies which exist between the two companies are numerous and strong. Among those available to us this partnership intensifies our collaboration with respect to engines. Product expansion opportunities are currently underway to develop distribution networks for the Gehl and Mustang branded excavators in Mexico, Central America and Latin America. The expansion of our excavator distribution will extend our brand exposure as well as provide greater opportunities for increased business. Working with our current dealer distribution network throughout these regions, this valuable opportunity to enter the growing excavator market segment will lead to our mutual success for increased revenue and a strengthened strategic alliance with Yanmar."
Manitou Group, THE Material-Handling Reference, is headquartered in Ancenis (West of France). Manitou Group designs, assembles and distributes material-handling solutions for agriculture, construction and industrial markets. The group reported in 2012 revenue of €1,265m, of which two thirds outside France. Business is conducted under the Manitou, Gehl, Mustang, Loc and Edge trademarks, through 1,400 independent dealers in more than 120 countries. As of December 31, 2012, Manitou Group employed approximately 3,300 people of which 40% outside France.


Corporate information is available at: www.manitou-group.com
Shareholder information: communication.financiere@manitou-group.com
Press information: d.cocton@manitou-group.com


Yanmar co., ltd. is headquartered in Osaka, the second biggest city in Japan. Yanmar is Japanese diesel engine manufacturer with more than 100 years of history and also designs and manufactures many varieties of agricultural, industrial, marine machineries such as tractors, combine-harvesters, mini-excavators, generators, light fishing boats and so on. The group turnover has reached 577.1 bil JPY in FY2012 operating through numerous production

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Originally posted by Creek Jenkins Creek Jenkins wrote:

Yanmar bought ASV last year. They are made right up the road from me. Haven't heard much about what they are doing or if they are making changes.

Hope they aren't ignoring the division, and trading off the name, terex tried it, didn't work out well...Wink
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sold a machine today (not "the machine") and while loading it with my crane, we were talking about skidders, he said he has both, and likes the tracked one, he said it'll go anywhere without much damage to the ground as long as it's back and forth work, said if you turn with it, it'll tear the chit outta the ground/grass. about the same as a wheeled one.
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Turns are what causes damage and tracks or tires, steel tracks on tires makes no difference when working, gonna make a mess to deal with later.

Edited by DMiller - 25 Jun 2020 at 5:48am
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Tracked loader is not much different from a small dozen when turning. We had our Farm Bureau tire recycling days this week at the Fairgrounds. I hauled my wheeled skid loader there to help handle the tractor and trucks tires that came in. Skid loader worked great with forks picking the tires up to load in van semi trailers. The only problem was turning and leaving divots in the grass. Was much appreciated by the working volunteers!
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