Myers HJ50D well pump

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   Long post. My mother still has a deep well that provides water to the outside faucets of her 50 year old home. One day she called me and said the pump which is in the basement was running for no reason. I told her to unplug it. She took it upon herself to call a plumber to look at it. He said the pump was shot. Not believing him, I took the pump to a very reputable repair shop an they went through it and said it was fine. I reinstalled it and after priming still no water. Problem must be in the well I thought. I pulled 57' of plastic line out of the well and thought I found the issue! The larger line totally came loose from the ejector.  Simple. Not wanting to ever go back down that well again, I flushed the lines with water(from the neighbors),installed a new foot valve, and cleaned the ejector inside and out. Water flowed through all three holes. Reinstalled the lines and slowly primed the pump feeling positive I fixed it. No!! I primed the pump with a t-fitting in the large suction line and after pouring 20 + gallons I would place my hand over the spot where the cap should be and plugged it in. Nothing. Prime and repeat. Nothing. Instead of feeling suction on my hand from the large suction line I was getting pressure! I would take the palm of my hand away and water would shoot out the suction line. Strange. I put the cap on the t-fitting instead of the palm of my hand and the pressure was getting so much in the pump the new shaft seal started leaking!! All necessary valves were open and the pump sits on a big pressure tank that was empty. Why would the suction line develop pressure like that?? Finding a qualified pump repairman is very hard to find nowadays. Thank you for any help in this matter, Ryan 

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Ryan Renko Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edwardsville, I Points: 2326	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ryan Renko Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Myers HJ50D well pump Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 8:21pm
	Long post. My mother still has a deep well that provides water to the outside faucets of her 50 year old home. One day she called me and said the pump which is in the basement was running for no reason. I told her to unplug it. She took it upon herself to call a plumber to look at it. He said the pump was shot. Not believing him, I took the pump to a very reputable repair shop an they went through it and said it was fine. I reinstalled it and after priming still no water. Problem must be in the well I thought. I pulled 57' of plastic line out of the well and thought I found the issue! The larger line totally came loose from the ejector. Simple. Not wanting to ever go back down that well again, I flushed the lines with water(from the neighbors),installed a new foot valve, and cleaned the ejector inside and out. Water flowed through all three holes. Reinstalled the lines and slowly primed the pump feeling positive I fixed it. No!! I primed the pump with a t-fitting in the large suction line and after pouring 20 + gallons I would place my hand over the spot where the cap should be and plugged it in. Nothing. Prime and repeat. Nothing. Instead of feeling suction on my hand from the large suction line I was getting pressure! I would take the palm of my hand away and water would shoot out the suction line. Strange. I put the cap on the t-fitting instead of the palm of my hand and the pressure was getting so much in the pump the new shaft seal started leaking!! All necessary valves were open and the pump sits on a big pressure tank that was empty. Why would the suction line develop pressure like that?? Finding a qualified pump repairman is very hard to find nowadays. Thank you for any help in this matter, Ryan

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Hubert (Ga)engine7 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hubert (Ga)engine7 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 9:13pm
	I am no plumber not a pump expert but I have worked on a few over the years. Anytime I have to pull plastic pipe or any pipe that is that old I replace it along with the jet package/foot valve and also check the adjustment on the valve that sends part of the water back down the smaller pipe to drive more water up the larger line. If you are building that much pressure though the foot valve should be good. Could be a hairline split in one of the plastic pipes, seen that before. We still have some good plumbers around here that do pump work and don;t try to rip you off. Thought I have a bad pump at the farm a couple of years back, had the checkbook ready to shell out $$$. Plumber that put the pump in in '83 said it was just the motor switch, $40 for the switch and service call. I gave him a bit extra to take his wife out to dinner. Edited by Hubert (Ga)engine7 - 12 Jun 2020 at 9:16pm
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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85528	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2022 at 1:00pm
	You can only "LIFT" water a max of 30 feet... Normally under 20 ft is good... If you are over that you either use a submerged pump, or a "deep well" pump... Sounds like that is what you have ?... Should to TWO PLASTIC Lines going down to the foot valve, one larger than the other.. What you are doing is priming one line to the pump to get it started.. The pump then puts maybe 20% of the water BACK DOWN the other tube toward the check valve.. There is a venturi at the bottom that the PRESSURIZED water sprays thru and pulls additional water from the well and carries it up toward the pump which is helping to SUCK the water up...... water then exits the pump and again, maybe 80% goes to the house and 20% goes back DOWN THE PIPE to the venturi to help LIFT additional water............ so yes.. your suction line can feel like it has pressure inside. how far down is the water level in the well.. below the PUMP ? what is the condition of the VENTURI above the check valve ? Edited by steve(ill) - 03 Jan 2022 at 1:05pm
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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85528	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2022 at 1:03pm
	https://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/ba3468a2a8681f69872569d60073fde1/2a18a0905731cd4b87256a610060652d/$FILE/agdex716c11.pdf Operation The pump and pipe system are full of water. The water in the pump impeller is thrown outwards by the vanes of the spinning impeller (see insert detail Figure 2). As the vanes throw the water out, a vacuum is created at the eye of the impeller, and more water is drawn in to replace that which was thrown out. Some of the water discharged by the impeller passes out of the pump and into the pressure tank. The rest is recirculated through the drive line to the injector in the well. In the injector, the nozzle and the venturi create a vacuum. This vacuum draws water from the well, through the foot valve. As the water passes through the venturi tube into the suction line, the pressure is increased sufficiently to force the water back to the pump impeller. The injector nozzle and venturi tube size must be selected according to the pumping depth, the distance the pump is offset from the well and the size of the pump. Edited by steve(ill) - 03 Jan 2022 at 1:08pm
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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85528	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2022 at 1:11pm
	if your PUMP is good, then normally the venturi is worn out, or the NOZZLE is broke / gone.
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Ray54 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4659	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ray54 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2022 at 3:16pm
	Had a engineered drip irrigation system in a vineyard. Had venture to suck fertilizer up into the drip system. All worked well for a few fertilizer applications, then nothing would get sucked out of the fertilizer tank. Turned out residue was attacking to the plastic venture. Sometimes soaking it in acid cleaned enough. Residue slowed the flow and venture could not suck up the fertilizer. The finale solution was a very small 12 V pump. So as Steve suggested replace the works at the bottom venture and foot valve .

steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85528	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jan 2022 at 6:51pm
	the little white NOZZLE shoots into the lONG VENTURI... If you big pipe broke off, it might have broke the VENTURI off ?
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