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ACinSC
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Topic: D 15 wheel eccentricsPosted: 06 Aug 2019 at 12:31pm |
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Thought I could remove these one at a time for cleaning and painting . Broke the 15/16 nuts loose with my 3/4 drive . 13/16 is the only socket I can get on the eccentric . Seems kinda loose ? Sound right to you fellas ? Thanks
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 12:43pm |
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ACinSC,
Not sure on a D15 but on a WD series they are 3/4 hex. Might try a 19mm or a 20mm six point too. Most of the time I take the casting off the wheel rim and get it on the bench a free up the eccentrics. But again thats on a WD. D15 may be different? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 1:10pm |
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Have two sets off now and at the blast shop before paint and reassembly. If not loaded and you have a cement shop floor, I have found a 5 gln. bucket with some 4x4's make reassembly pretty easy.
Lay the tire/rim atop two 4x4's on each side evenly spaced under the tire, this gives enough room to reach underneath easily when assembled (inserting bolts). I found a 5 gln. bucket centered inside and a couple of short 2x4's leaves the rim center right at the mid-point on the rails. Set the center on the bucket/blocks with the mounting holes lined up and with a generous amount of Anti-Sieze on the pin/block area to hold the eccentric lock in-place (fully retracted on the pin), slide it over the rail and down until the bolt holes for the flange line up. Reach underneath and insert the bolts, add washer/nut on top and hand tighten. In this position all the flange assemblies can be installed and you should be able to reach through the center hole and "walk" the assembled rimcenter up and down easily to make sure everything slides easily on the rails. Tighten the flange bolts to the rim gradually while checking everything slides up and down on the rails as you go and they will be even. I have plenty of used eccentric blocks that came to me on tractors or used rim assemblies over the years and they do wear thin so you may want to compare the thickness to new as they are worth the purchase price for something you don't want to have to do again. Nothing worse than hearing that old "clunk" type "clicking" noise coming from the rear end? when driving the tractor and wondering what it is, I have pulled some that were worn nearly paper thin and they had also slid on the rails previously, ruining the rim as the rail thickness was worn down from sliding back and forth as rail stop blocks were gone. Anti-Sieze is your friend and you'll be glad you did, even if you don't change the wheel position for 5-10 years as they will turn like butter . . . . .
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ACinSC
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 1:47pm |
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Thanks Chris and Tom . 3/4 and 19 mm would have to be hammered on . 20 mm might work . Don't have one , of course . My D 15 wheels are loaded and mounted . Wanted to pull the rusty eccentrics off one at a time for cleaning and painting . They may have to stay rusty . Thanks again
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 2:38pm |
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Don't see a torque number on these 15/16 eccentric nuts . 150 lbs sound ok ? At least I did loosen all them for the next time . Thanks
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 5:16pm |
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They are 3/4" but somewhat tapered. I use a 3/4" deep impact socket on my D15 and D15.
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 5:31pm |
Look at the ends of the eccentric wrench surfaces, Do they have hammer scars? Lots of times people beat on them. I'd file them down, till a 3/4" wrench fits. as for torque, on the mounting nuts, hand tight with a 18" handle should be sufficient. In my experience, best thing to do is to throw them in the woodstove, in the evening, shovel out with the next morning's ashes. Then dunk in a diesel bath, and let it soak in a coupla days... There's a whole thread, on the knowledge page, IIRR, about freeing up eccentrics, lotsa tips, over there!
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Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 6:40pm |
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Thanks Greg and Dave .
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Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 3:25pm |
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Cleaned up the eccentrics with a stone in my drill . Managed to get a 3/4" six point socket on . Got all 4 on the right side loose and tightened back . Left side eccentrics won't budge with a fat boy on a 4' cheater . Gonna let Kroil do it's thing . Thanks
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Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 4:54pm |
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Here's a video of a D-14.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 5:29pm |
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Thanks, Dennis, that video has been posted many times here, just didn't remember the title, to search google. Really, that should go on the knowledge base page!
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Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 5:58pm |
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Thanks !! Good video , probably try my last 4 eccentrics again tomorrow .
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Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 8:35pm |
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The correct socket for the eccentric is 25/32”.
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 8:20am |
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25/32 ?? No wonder I'm having such a hard time . Hafta see if I can find one . Thanks Steve
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 8:27am |
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Some friends I have call that size a Wentworth, British I guess.
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 8:28am |
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I have a 25/32 6pt socket for my WD45. My neighbor used to be an Allis mechanic and said he used to have a few odd wrenches and such for Allis. I jump back and forth between 3/4 and 25/32. A few of the nuts a 3/4 will fit.
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 11:01am |
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NAPA manager just told me that they can't even order a 25/32 socket . I did find a 25/32 open end wrench in my toolbox . Fits good 👍
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 12:52pm |
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You will likely be better off cleaning the heads as mentioned and "tapping on" the nearest size socket that will fit, vs. the open end wrench as they sound like the are pretty tight.
Any I have moved on the tractor that have not been touched for years get soaked with Kroil or Liquid Wrench repeatedly for a couple of weeks and jacking up that side of the tractor so all weight is off the wheel seemed to help breaking some of them.
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 1:05pm |
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Thanks Tim . I just wanted to check the open end wrench to see how it fit . Last 4 soaked all night . Still no go . Have all my 25/32 eccentrics dressed down enough to get a 3/4 socket on . Seems odd that the tapered stop bolts are definitely 3/4 " .
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 2:46pm |
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Pulled one spin-out rim stop . Cleaned it up and reinstalled . Bolt was and is tight , but the stop is loose . What the heck ? Checked other side , also loose . Bolt tight . Guess I need new stops and bolts ?
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 4:31pm |
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The "stop blocks" have a bolt that is typically tapered under the head and the "shank" of the bolt cannot be tight where it slides through as the shank goes through the rail on the rim. Snug after it stops is good, assembled with Anti-Sieze is even better, I coat em' good along the shank and the threads.
If you are not in a hurry and need to use the tractor, just keep soaking from inside and outside. May not look like you can get anything to soak through from the outside but it'll eventually work it's way in and help. A little persuasion with a hammer on the locking pin end won't hurt but be careful you don't deform the end. Soak, tap, repeat, or just take the wheel off and remove the entire flange assemblies for breaking down in a vise. Don't be surprised to find the small wire type retainers on the back of each pin have rusted away or are not re-usable, prettycommon on units where calcium was leaking onto the rims. Soak, tap, repeat . . . . .
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 4:44pm |
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Are you saying that the stop blocks are supposed to be loose ? I'm thinking the only time they are really needed is when you wanna power adjust the wheels ? Thanks Tim .
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 5:27pm |
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Some stop blocks are a little tighter, but like has been said, not particularly.... You might need to heat and beat, careful of the tube. Common cause for tightness is mega rust, from cacl3 salt solution used as ballast. It eats up the valve core, then leaks, and the closest things, like eccentrics and stops rust...
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Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 6:08pm |
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Don't think calcium chloride gets much use down south . My tires have water ballast . Thanks
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