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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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My gear shift was stuck in 1st gear, I got the shifter cover assembly off the transmission. Is there supposed to be something to hold the shifter lever in place, the shifter has alot of play in it and will not contact the lugs. Does this sound like a problem with the shift lever ball seat not lined up correctly and allowing alot of play, or is there supposed to be something connecting the shifter lever to the lugs? I'm really not sure what caused all this today, never had any problems with it before. Thanks alot for any and all help!
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Dakota Dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: ND Points: 3966 |
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You didn't need to pulll the cover off . Just remove the rubber seal and take out the big snap ring underneath. then the shifter lever will just pull out don't drop the little locating pins down the hole. Take a Big screwdriver and realing the luggs in a strait line. the shifter is not attached to them. It slides between the notches. If the end if the shifter dosn't look like a 1/2" round 3/8" wide nub on the end it needs to be built back up. When you push the lever back down in the hole the slots line up with the pins and push it down till the ball part seats in the cup. The special washer and snapring go in and hold the shifter down so it can't come out of the shifting lugs put the rubber back on and your done.
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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Thanks alot Dave, does the above pic of the shifter lever look about like it should?
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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I'm looking down through the top of the shifter hole and I'm not sure where I should be lining the lugs up. I don't see how the lugs will keep the shifter lever in place. I stick the shifter lever back down in there and when I shift it the lever just goes free. |
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Matt, Your gear shifter needs to be build up on the end like Dave was talking about.
To line up the three shift rails you might need to use a light to see the rails, all three rails need to have the slots line up in the middle of the tower. Hope this helps.
Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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Thanks alot Don, I can't seem to get the left side shift rail to budge at all, they all move side to side, but not up and down to line up. Could something be wrong with that shift rail or am I missing something easy here? Thanks alot for your help!
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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If you can't get the rail to move try pushing in the clutch to relieve the pressure on the gears. Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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I have the shift assembly off the transmission, its on my bench, I cant get any of the forks to slide on the rails.
Edited by matt5569 - 05 Sep 2010 at 8:10pm |
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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The above pic is the bottom side of the shift assembly.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Matt, put up a pic looking down in gear shifter hole from the top looking down.
Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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j.w.freck ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: karnack texas Points: 1153 |
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spend 85.00 and get one that fits from dean ag
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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This is a good advice!! you will get good at putting the gear shifter in if you don't fix it right.
Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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The rail on the left needs to move back to line up with the two on the right of it.
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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Thanks alot Don, I thought that was the case, I just can't get it to move. Should I tap it with a hammer to get it back in line? It's just not budging by hand at all, thanks for all your help, I really appreicate it! Matt
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Matt, I sent you a PM about this.
Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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dannyraddatz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Plainfield, Ill Points: 848 |
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Don
You are the master on this move! One other piece of advice, push down when shifting in to gear, with the wd45's shifter it is easy to pull up on the shifter and get into what happened to you. I have walked the walk on this one too! Danny |
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irlbeck A-C'S ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Crestview FL. Points: 689 |
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Have you tried rocking the tractor back and forth? That doesn't do any good with the whole shift tower off though! LOL!!!!! I have put my hands on the rear tire and wiggled it just a little. That has helped me in the past. I have been able to use the shifter to move the rails back in place if i didn't have a long screwdriver or bar nearby. I have never had to force anything. It was just a matter of catching the rail just right and it will eventually go back into place. Like was said earlier the rail on the left needs to slide back. You should be able to set the shifter back in it an move the shifter all the way to the opposite side and down. The shifter ball should then be close to the out of position rail. Wiggle the shifter easy back and forth and a little side to side. You will be able to feel when you catch the rail and it goes back in place. Once this is done all that would be left would be to place the shifter back onto the key and into the middle of the rails. Sometimes you get lucky on the 1st try sometimes it don't go that well. Hang in there and keep trying. I have had to stop and do something else for a little bit then come back and like magic things work out. :-) Hope this helps.
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bill(IL) ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 19 |
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AS I rember there is a spring and ball that helps hold it in gear. It will take a little pressure to move the rail.
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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Thanks alot everyone, I was finally able to get the rail moved into line with the others. But I think there is supposed to be a spring up on one of the lugs inside the tower. Im not seeing it up there and there is no pressure at all when I put the shift lever back down in the tower, it goes into the lugs and then slips out quickly like there is nothing holding it in place. I hate to take those rails out as I have never put them back in before. When I do have the shifter where it belongs it still will not shift the rods up or down, just side to side. Maybe I better check the tranny for that spring? Any ideas....Thanks again everyone for all of the help! Matt
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irlbeck A-C'S ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Crestview FL. Points: 689 |
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Are you sure the shifter is fitting into place properly? That was always the tough part for me to drop the shifter back into place. It is very easy to miss the slot and it would act like what you are talking about. On our 45's the shifter does not go in exactly straight up and down, it will have a slight lean in it.When the shifter is in the slot and pulled side to side you can feel a little resistance. Feel is the only way that I know that the shifter is inserted properly. Hope that all makes sense. You are looking in the right place. There is no other place on earth that will give you more help than this forum.The knowledge and experience levels on this forum are mind boggling to me sometimes.Good luck.
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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Maybe the shifter is not going to work properly until I get it back on the tranny? Could one of the lugs be bent out of shape? Or the spring broken because there is just too much space between the lugs and the shifter just slips right out. Sure am having a tough time with it, but hopefully if I can get it going i'll know how to fix it when it happens again. Thanks again for any and all help on this! Matt
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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John In. ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: New haven In. Points: 69 |
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That spring fits on the reverse lever, that shouldn't keep you from shifting though, When you took the tower off did you have to remove a snap ring and wash and was there a pivot pin inside the tower? |
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matt5569 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Points: 17 |
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My thanks to everyone, I really, really appreciate all of the advice, I don't think I could've gotten it anywhere else on the web. I got the tractor running this morning and seems to be shifting fine now. Atleast I'll know what to do next time. Thanks again to everyone that helped me out! Matt |
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HaroldOmaha ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Omaha Points: 862 |
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Matt, I've found out if you are real carefull and when shifting move the lever straight left and right and straight forward and back you can avoid having it get into two gears. Been running my gas 45 that way for 12 years, I do tractor pulls and plow with it and since I learned this tecknic I have only had problems when I get in a hurry, and shift at an angle.
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michael1 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2017 Location: minnesota Points: 1 |
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hi. I,ve been an allis mechanic, and I have a wd45 with a weak shifter. the best answer might be to but a new shifter. but if you can build it back up and case harden it, that would work too. the lugs that the ball of the shifter slips into will wear as well. you couldn,t get reverse to disengage because it has to be lined up with the sliding lock sleeve on the shaft. kinda like lining up synchros. although this trans has no synchros. all the springs for the detents are in the cover. you can,t see them because their hidden b ity the shifter shafts. it can be real hard to reassemble the shaft assy, so if you don,t feel comfortable doing it, I wouldn,t. there are three shafts, and each position will lock in, because of the detents. in the trans, the three shifting forks should be lined up in the middle. this is neutral. hope this info helps.
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