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HD6GTOM 
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Posted: 12 Dec 2018 at 4:26pm |
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Boys be careful out there. A guy down the road getting out of his pickup dropped his black powder rifle, it went off shot him thru the arm, part of the slug wound up next to his heart, might be too close to remove it, cute little neighbor gal had enough sense to put a double touniquite on his arm and saved his life. Don't know if he will survive surgery to remove the slug in his chest.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
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Posted: 12 Dec 2018 at 5:20pm |
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Hope he will make it through the surgery, he was lucky that there was someone around that knew what to do. That big slug can do a lot of damage. When you violate the basic rules of gun safety "accidents" happen. Driving around down here during hunting season with a loaded weapon will get you a ticket from the possum sheriff. Most of the hunting accidents I worked were people falling out of deer stands. One guy didn't like it when I suggested we field dress him first and he would be a lost easier to carry out of the woods.
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 7:53am |
 I go along with Hubert's reply. What the hey is he doing with a loaded gun in the cab of his truck?
Edited by Dave H - 13 Dec 2018 at 10:21am
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 8:58am |
 HD6GTOM wrote:
getting out of his pickup dropped his black powder rifle |
Assuming that he was driving around with a loaded rifle in his truck, is clearly not appropriate. He may have been sitting in the truck, just warming up... which happens very frequently, especially in the midwest, where deer hunting most frequently requires standing still, waiting for opportunities to wander within range, rather than deer hunting out further west, where a hunter spends most of the time walking to the top of a hill, then searching with binoculars.
An overwhelming proportion of hunting accidents in the midwest, are the result of falls... either loss of footing, or while climbing up or down to tree stands. Unintended discharges of firearms and crossbows, and occasionally a compound bow issue.
(the latter is particularly distressing to look at... an arrow, with a critical weak point, breaks in half at the moment of release, and the back half of the arrow gets shoved through the archer's bow hand). When something like this happens, what's your blame-and-shame tactic?
Accidents happen in hunting just like anything else.
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desertjoe
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 11:53am |
Accidents with firearms can happen in the flash of an eye.,,and usually caused by inattention and people being careless. Years ago, most of our extended family includin a few BIL's would get together and have a big ole camp up in the mountains. Lots of great times and hoopin and hollarin and with some hooch to make things lively,,,,,  Bein the oldest, I would always give a speech at the start of the festivities and tell all, "you can drink all you want, but absolutely no alky before you handle a firearm or climb into your trk". Everybody would agree and good times,,til,,one time bout 6 of us men includin my two oldest boys were climbing this really steep mountain with lots of loose shale rock so I stopped and told everybody to check and unload any cartridges in the chamber, which we all did,,until my AH BIL slipped and his gun went off and barrel was pointing toward my son,,and due to God not needing Jeff that day, he said he heard the bullet go by his head some close,,!!! I got so FRIGGIN MAD I grabbed his rifle and threw it down the mountain and told Tommy to GTFO of my site fast as he could or I would shoot his azz... His response,," I did check and there was no bullet in chamber" I gathered up my sons and started back down the mountain tellin the rest of group, I'm goin back to camp and whoever wants a ride best hurry along. When we get to camp I told the whole group,"Either this AH is leavin camp or I am" My 3 brothers all told Tommy,,"you broke the biggest rule of this camp, so you gonna have to leave" . Him and my sister left ,,and him denyin he had left a cartridge in magazine. He has not ever hunted with me since that day bout 30 years ago,,altho he has asked my other brothers to get me to reconsider...,,,,I did,,,but my answer is still,,,NO,!!!
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 12:22pm |
desertjoe wrote:
Accidents with firearms can happen in the flash of an eye.,,and usually caused by inattention and people being careless. Years ago, most of our extended family includin a few BIL's would get together and have a big ole camp up in the mountains. Lots of great times and hoopin and hollarin and with some hooch to make things lively,,,,, Bein the oldest, I would always give a speech at the start of the festivities and tell all, "you can drink all you want, but absolutely no alky before you handle a firearm or climb into your trk". Everybody would agree and good times,,til,,one time bout 6 of us men includin my two oldest boys were climbing this really steep mountain with lots of loose shale rock so I stopped and told everybody to check and unload any cartridges in the chamber, which we all did,,until my AH BIL slipped and his gun went off and barrel was pointing toward my son,,and due to God not needing Jeff that day, he said he heard the bullet go by his head some close,,!!! I got so FRIGGIN MAD I grabbed his rifle and threw it down the mountain and told Tommy to GTFO of my site fast as he could or I would shoot his azz... His response,," I did check and there was no bullet in chamber" I gathered up my sons and started back down the mountain tellin the rest of group, I'm goin back to camp and whoever wants a ride best hurry along. When we get to camp I told the whole group,"Either this AH is leavin camp or I am" My 3 brothers all told Tommy,,"you broke the biggest rule of this camp, so you gonna have to leave" . Him and my sister left ,,and him denyin he had left a cartridge in magazine. He has not ever hunted with me since that day bout 30 years ago,,altho he has asked my other brothers to get me to reconsider...,,,,I did,,,but my answer is still,,,NO,!!! |
A lot of folks get killed with "unloaded" guns. Including a friend of mine back in H.S.....
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 12:29pm |
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Yes, them unloaded guns are the deadliest
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 2:05pm |
We we hunt with flintlocks in PA after Christmas. I am not sure about the inline type muzzle loaders used in the early season. But we just need to clear the pan of primer and not have the gun cocked and its legal to carry in a vehicle. Its a shame if was injured. He was fortunate he had someone to get the blood stopped. Yikes! makes me cringe just thinking about it! Keeping any muzzle pointed in a safe location is the best rule. Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 4:24pm |
You know,,I'm like other parents or Grandparents in that we all enjoy being " the best Grandpa" and sometimes we just gotta put our foot down and be ,,Bad Grandpa,,,, Our youngest (3 years) Grandson went with us this year during the fall hunts and really liked climbing them mountains and spotting the game. I had bought him a Red Ryder BB gun so he had his own gun. I spent quite a bit of time with him on gun safety and even tho it just a BB gun,,I showed him what thet little BB CAN do to a glass bottle of Black Label,,,and he was impressed at the jar blowing up like it did,,and I told him that could hAPPEN to somebody's eye,,,,,Fast forward to this past weekend and he was playin with the BB gun and he pointed it at ME,,laughing all the time,,,, All this time I have kept the BB's put up where he can't get to them unless I know,, and after checkin the gun,,it did NOT have any BB's but I still chewed him out good and put the gun in the safe in garage for 2 weeks!!!! He got very mad and told me I was a "BAD Grandpa" as his other Grandpa would let him play with it loaded,,?/ I reminded him that OUR deal was that he had to leave the BB gun here at all times unless I approved hiim taking it to his mother's house. I don't like being the Bad Guy with him but I'm hopin he'll come around on his next visit,,,,,,,
Edited by desertjoe - 13 Dec 2018 at 4:29pm
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 4:59pm |
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You bein' the bad guy now, Joe, just might save somebody's life down the road a' piece.
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 7:25pm |
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Now Joe you know a 3 year old has the attention span of maybe 3 minutes and will forget anything you tell them in about half a day. I believe I was around 8 or maybe 10 years old before I got my first Daisey BB gun. I think all my 3 1/2 year old grandson can handle at his age is a rubber band gun. 😀
My BIL is a conservation officer and he pulled up behind a truck parked on the side of the road on the first day of the season. He goes up to the drivers side and taps on the window. The window rolls down and all this pot smoke rolls out. After the smoke clears he asked them for ID and hunting licenses and the asks to check their guns. The two guys look at each other and start laughing and said they forgot their guns. He asks them to wait in their truck and then calls the sherif to come get them before they try to arm themselves.😜
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 8:37pm |
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Good for you Joe! Kids learn more than just gun safety from an attentive adult ! Back to the original post about the man shooting himself with his muzzle loader. I hunted with a group of guys during Muzzle loader season here in Mich. and we would do drives to get deer. This was before land being leased and land owners getting dollars now for hunting! Anyways one of our group was a teacher and a Wrestling Coach and a Taxidermist. He always carried a cap and ball revolver in a shoulder holster just in case he needed to finish a deer off.One morning we were getting ready to hunt when I looked around for Larry. I asked Ben where he was and Ben replied you didn't here Larry shot himself! What I replied Larry's dead. No, Ben said you know how he always carries that revolver in his shoulder holster. Well he was in his garage getting into his pickup when he dropped the keys and bent over to pick them up. He did not have the strap fastened over the pistol and it fell out on the floor hitting the hammer which was not on an empty chamber. The pistol fired shooting Larry right through the calf of his leg! Like everything else in life we need to think about what we are doing!
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Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 11:28pm |
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Was sitting here reading about it in the paper. He was a passenger, opened the passenger door and old Betsy fell on the ground. Was life flighted to a bigger horsepistol. Sounds like he's gonna pull thru.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 4:50am |
AND,,,,,,wouldn't you know it,,,his other Grandpa is an ex 25 year State Policeman,!!!,,go figure,,,,,
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 4:56am |
I just remembered another incident,,,One of my cousin's Sons got killed bout 10 years ago when he was reaching into the trk for his shotgun after a day of quail huntin. He grabbed it ,,,,,by the barrel,,,and pulled it towards him,,,,when the "unloaded" sob went off,,,killing him instantly. The boy was only 18 years old. So sad,,,,,
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 6:22am |
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Accidental shooting a few years ago in Ohio. Hunter coming in from muzzle loader hunting wanted to unload the rifle. He raised the gun and fired it in the air. A long distance away an Amish girl was driving home in her buggy and the bullet struck her in the head killing the girl. She was found by her brother when the horse brought her home.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 7:04am |
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I have always discharged my Black Powder weapons into a bullet trap, too easy to end up with a stray and NEVER EVER left a loaded weapon in the cocked and locked condition as that is just asking for hurt. Pump and semi auto shotguns/rifles/hammerless pistols have safeties for a reason as well DO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN THE LINE OF FIRE in Front of the barrel.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 7:40am |
klinemar wrote:
Accidental shooting a few years ago in Ohio. Hunter coming in from muzzle loader hunting wanted to unload the rifle. He raised the gun and fired it in the air. A long distance away an Amish girl was driving home in her buggy and the bullet struck her in the head killing the girl. She was found by her brother when the horse brought her home. |
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 9:23am |
klinemar wrote:
Accidental shooting a few years ago in Ohio. Hunter coming in from muzzle loader hunting wanted to unload the rifle. He raised the gun and fired it in the air. A long distance away an Amish girl was driving home in her buggy and the bullet struck her in the head killing the girl. She was found by her brother when the horse brought her home. |
Same happened in our neighborhood growing up but with a bow & arrow. Kid a block away shot an arrow into the air and came down in next block hitting a girl in the shoulder. She survived it. We have public "core" ground boarding our property...crazies go 20 yards into the woods and start "target" shooting with rifles and pistols. Think they're in the wilds of Alaska even though just drove past our place......back of our garage has more than one bullet hole. Usually call the Sheriff but once it was so bad, I had to circle around and tell them if they didn't stop we were going to start shooting back.....had the kids and wife in the basement on that one.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 9:32am |
Coworker of mine had a bullet go through his house, missed his daughter by about 4 feet. It would have been one thing if deer season, but no, just drunk spoiled brats (late 20's) whooping it up while shooting in their back yard. Coworker has a way of....."expressing himself". He said "I didn't call the cops. I won't call the cops. Let's just say that WON'T happen again." And left. *Not that I'm excusing deer season carelessness.....just maybe a little more understandable with out of towners in woods maybe not realizing where other houses are. This was a neighbor.*
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 1:52pm |
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Yes, I remember that girl getting killed it was sad.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 7:01pm |
Shortly after i left Nam ole Earl Doty was putting along in his Chinook minding his business. when wham o, an engine went nuts which resulted in a shutdown. Come to find out and AK round came down outta the sky and hit the Lycoming right on the bleed band. That is my story and I am sticking to it.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 11:41pm |
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And then there's the true story of a friend of mine. Headed down a county highway, saw a coyote in the pasture. He was driving, had a few "soft drinks" in him. He retch over, grabbed the 45 cal pistol, got it tangled up with the steering wheel and shot out the left front tire on the old Chevy. We do get a laugh out ta that every now and then.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 1:49am |
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WAY back, our local sheriff lost an eye to a .22 that fell out of the sky. Lucky he didn't lose more than that.
With all the kids I've taught over the years, that barrel is ALWAYS pointed down to earth in front of your feet. The ONLY way a gun is unloaded is if it's (the gun) in pieces... It is ALWAYS loaded.
Only had one accident in all my years. One kid had a squib and didn't tell anyone about it. ALL the kids learned that day. All it did to that kids gun was bent the barrel. I wonder what I did with that barrel???
SAFETY FIRST, and ABOVE ALL ELSE... there is no such thing as an accident, it's still carelessness...
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Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 7:16am |
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Story my Dad told of meeting 2 deer hunters in northern Michigan. Dad and a freind came up on 2 men changing a tire on their car. They stopped to talk and noticed the men were both almost deaf. Dad also noticed a hole in the fender well of the car. So he yelled to the men how did they get the flat tire? They replied they had been road hunting and saw a buck standing in the clearing so they stopped to shoot him from the car. When the passenger was loading his lever action rifle and closed the lever he had his finger on the trigger firing the rifle inside the car deafening both men,shooting through the firewall and fender well ,blowing a hole in the front tire!
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Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 1:20pm |
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Not related but close, used to Carry in the city even as was illegal, had Ruger 5 1/2" barrel Redhawk .44Mag in lunch box, worked second shift. Got off work one night, black dude comes up asking for a dollar for wine, told him no cash, just go away and he pulls knife. I had already slipped the Mag between seat and console so out it comes, hammer coming back drawing it up. Guy drops knife and starts screaming, I just calmly stated 'Run'. Well he did, and I as a Dumba__ pointed the hogleg with a .44Special in it at a derelict building a few tens of yards away and turn the round loose. Needless to say, could not hear ALL the way home, ringing has NEVER stopped and that was in 1986. He was steady gaining speed last look I had of him.
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