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    Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 7:51pm
I have a lincoln weld pack 155 that I've used for over 20 years. It's given great service and seen lots of use. It's time for a replacement as it is needing or will be needing a lot of replacement parts. Gun,liner drive wheel and friction brake. I'm thinking about a new unit instead of putting 1/3 the cost of a new unit into a 20 year old welder. Was wondering what advice the owners of Lincoln weld pack 180's or owners of the equivalent size miller welders may have to offer. Thanks.
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This might be a little to large, but on the farm, I have a 1999 or 2000 Miller 250X wire welder, 875 plasma cutter, and lastly, a McDermott Miller pool cue. I like my Miller Blue.

  As for the welder, it didn't work to good in the beginning. The coil wire that protects the the plastic liner was an 1-1/4" to long. The heavy copper wire around it could not make good contact inside the gun. It would only weld 60% of the time. Miller didn't warranty the gun because they said there is no way the coil could be to long. So I cut it off the coil and crimped the heavy wire back on the gun. Has never given trouble again. I still have the 1-1/4" coil I cut off.
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I bought this one about 15 years ago.  Greatest welder I have ever used.  It is probably from the 80's.  I have had to put a few parts in it.  I stuck the plasma cutter on top of it to get it out of the way.


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I agree with Unit3 About the Miller 250  don't know how many 40# rolls went through ours   Gave 2 Miller welders away 180 amp buzz box, and 250 ac dc, haven't used stick since.

My first dealings with wire was a LINDE 180 with all the whistles and bells, the salesman turned the heat down and wire speed up and welded the end of a 2" pipe closed .  Allen
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I'm not familiar with the model you are referring to, but I'd get the Lincoln if I was buying one. I've welded a lot of places (mig, tig and stick), even been certified before. I've used Millers, Hobart, Airco, Linde, etc of various types and sizes. Lincoln is my favorite, I just think they weld better. I've used a couple of the little 110v Lincoln mig welders for home use, and I think they do pretty well for what they are. I been thinking about getting one myself. A few year before he passed, my Father bought a little 110v flux core welder from Harbor Freight. It was a piece of junk. Wouldn't do anything but spit and pop. It was blue like a Miller, but I think the name on it was Chicago Electric. I sold it in a farm consignment sale. It brought $60, but it wasn't worth a dime.
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I've got a Miller 130 & 250. Both are wire feed & do a great job. Here in humid Illinois, it's best to store your spools of wire inside your Air-Conditioned house to prevent them from coating up with rust. Wire rust will not allow it to feed evenly & ultimately ruin a gun liner.
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When it comes to welders pay attention to its duty rating.  That indicates the percentage of time ( usually based on a 1 hour period ) that the welder can be continuously used.  You may not ever think you'll need it but the duty cycle rating is kind of like a quality indicator.  Obviously the higher the rating the heavier the components it was made from are.  I'd always tell you to purchase nothing less than a 250 amp unit.  If you do a lot of welding go bigger.  If it is all electronic controls remember that depending on the quality they don't like being stored in excess humidity either.  The other thing to ask about are the consumables it uses like the tips and mig gun replaceable parts.  They do not all interchangeable  and often times are harder to find for off name brands. 
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Lincoln are the ones  like best,  I had a couple millers. they were good welders but I have had better service out of Lincoln,  I have a wire matic 250 I bought in 1990, no idea how many rolls it has welded with the least amount of trouble of all the wire feeders I have owned, I also have a couple Lincoln tig machines  and an old 225 stick buzz box, that came with the farm. lol.

I would not go below a 250 just for the duty cycle alone, but the capacity of a 180 is too small for the work I do with mine


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In all honesty it's pretty hard to exceed a 50% duty cycle unless you are doing non-stop production work. There are some pretty cheap Chinese welders on the market and ChuckE2009 liked some of them. I don't think he uses a welder as heavily as someone who does full time welding would use one, though. In the end you get what you pay for.

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Well, I'd fix it! BTDT.When you consider it's given you great service for 20 years, a few bucks now is a good investment. AND you KNOW how it performs.
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Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

I've got a Miller 130 & 250. Both are wire feed & do a great job. Here in humid Illinois, it's best to store your spools of wire inside your Air-Conditioned house to prevent them from coating up with rust. Wire rust will not allow it to feed evenly & ultimately ruin a gun liner.
    I have the bestest mommy in the whole wide world. Back when I got the 250X, she made a quilted cover for it. Still not a scratch on it and the wire has never rusted under it.
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I got a Lincoln Weld Pak 180, about a year ago.  Has done everything I have asked it to, but mostly hobbying.  Not heavy use.  All the problems I have had were my mistakes, not the machineUnhappy
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In the process of restoring an old car, I found out that a 110 unit will not keep up duty cycle wise. It had just enough power, but it was constantly going into thermal shutdown. I bought one of those farm and home store Hobart Ironman 230 welders and for the power levels I'm using it at it rarely gets warm enough to turn on the fan inside. I think I saw at full power it has a 60% duty cycle rating. The 110 was probably 10%.
My take is welders are like air compressors. Nobody ever regretted buying the largest unit they could afford, but when the compressor (welder) was too small to do the job...
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I used to own a Hobart Handler... the original... it was rated 80A at mebbie 20% duty cycle, and it worked fine for anything up to 1/4", but the DUTY CYCLE was golden-rule... it needed a rest between beads to cool off.  It lost a pair of diodes once, I replaced them with higher rating (both current and voltage) and also replaced the snubber capacitors with better units, and continued using it... went through many liners, and used mostly flux-core.  With 120v feed, it was VERY sensitive to the power source-  it did NOT like extension cords.  Nice thing, is that it'd fit nicely in the trunk of a car, and was handy for tack-welding things together when fitted up in-situ, then I'd pull the clamps and finish weld with a bigger machine.

Eventually, though, there came a time when more power, and realistic duty-cycle was necessary.  My budget didn't permit buying a new machine, so I found a Miller CP-200 with a feeder, gun, etc., (everything but a tank) for $75 on Craigslist.

See... the CP-200 is an industrial-grade constant-current welding supply... it's rated at 100% duty cycle... and although it's compact, it'll go WELL OVER 300A without breaking a fuss...  but since they're industrial, that means they're 3-phase... and with that being the case, nobody wants 'em.

but they're very easy to convert to single-phase power, and they generate full output, at the rated duty cycle, while doing it...

So if you want a genuine industrial bulletproof high-power machine... look for a used industrial machine... and when you find one, do a web-search... pretty good chance someone else has already posted a conversion for it.
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After several tries  with 110 and cheapo units  we finally bought what we should have got in the first place, a real shop welder. In our case a Miller 252 fit the bill. It will handle any farm or home shop welding in style. The digital readouts are nice for people who dont weld every day and when used with the  handy front mounted settings guide you are always spot on for whatever you are trying to weld. Only drawback is price but that was forgotten very quickly. Ours was $2400 4 years ago.

I am sure that Lincoln has a similar machine that will do the job, our local dealer is Miller.  Whatever you choose just dont under buy it for what you intended to do. The vast bulk of unsatisfied welder owners bash the brand they bought when in fact  they brought the wrong welder for their usage.  A friend  bought one of the new higher end welders from Harbor Freight a while back. They are a huge leap above what HF used to sell as "welders" It's a dang nice welder for him to use 3-4 times a year in his garage,  would I want it to use 3-4 times a week in my shop? NOPE! 
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I wouldn't even *think* of running a welder on 120 volts. Just run another circuit if you must and do it right the first time.
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I have a Hobart 250 from early 90s it has run a ton of 40lb spools thru it. I even did some production welding with it for several winters. It has stood the test of time. It has the original Hobart gun with Tweco tips on it. Love the welder wouldn't trade it for anything. It also has the panel for a spool gun. I got a spool gun and have done some welding with it.
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i have a Lincoln 250 i have had for 25 years, at work we use a Miller 350p and a 350p continum. it is the and and welds awesome
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Just like hammers ...
120V welders work fine and have they're uses. Light duty like body work, mower deck repairs and 'yard art'.
They are NOT designed to weld snow plow frames or make trailers with them though !!

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LB0442--- what you have is a Linde.welder. I have one , too except mine is 250 amp. Smooth as butter. Best welder I ever picked up! And I taught welding 4 years at tIVY Tech. We bought 8 new Miller welders for the lab. They wont hold a candle to that old Linde!!!

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It was said that an older local welder/machinist would use a torch & wire welding technique. This was before wire feed welder a became the norm. I never say him weld, but those who did tell how this guy with his acetylene torch in one hand would preheat his work, then simultaneously with his other hand, push wire into a molten pool, creating a weld bead. What would he have used as a bead cure protector? Anybody heard or known similar welders?

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Sounds like you're describing Oxy acetyylene fusion welding where you use an oxy acet torch and melt a weld pool in the joint and then add the filler rod to fill and make the weld.  I still do a lot of that.  Not so common anymore since the wire welders became so popular.  I've been a welder all my life and taught welding for 26 years at the technical college and they had taken the oxy acetylene process out of the curriculum a few years before I retired as the PAC said it "wasn't used anymore".!!  It was a good teaching tool as it taught students good puddle control and compared to electric processes, visibility of the weld pool was very good and the whole process was in "slow motion", so students got a better idea what was happening in the molten weld pool.
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I remember 50 years ago welding with a torch and we used baling wire ... no flux, just like you are describing. Today with my hobby of bicycles I have a cracker box 110 wire feed.
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Amazing how fast technology has progressed. Back in my school days no wire feed welders. Don't know whether it was to new for the teacher or cost but no mig welders.

Story of my life always working with the by passed technology (old) stuff. I have patched a lot of Gleaner tin with oxy acetylene torch and baling wire.


But of course there were (I hope there still is ) several types of flux that could be used. As well as filler rod that had flux coating on it similar to arc rod.

Now were has my can of flux gone to.  Joe being cheap Wink you been here borrowing my can of flux LOL.  Shameless doesn't have it cause his tanks are stuffed in the back corner behind the machine. So how many years Confused since I used it last, so don't have dig in every pile of goodies Confused.LOLLOLLOL


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Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Anybody heard or known similar welders?

You might want to look at TIG welding. It’s done in a similar way, but in conjunction with an inert gas. A good tig weld looks very nice - almost artistic.
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Originally posted by DougS DougS wrote:

Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Anybody heard or known similar welders?

You might want to look at TIG welding. It’s done in a similar way, but in conjunction with an inert gas. A good tig weld looks very nice - almost artistic.
I've never TIG welded, just watched it sometimes used on old American Chopper TV episodes. You're right its what I'd refer to as a coin bead art form(bead resembles a series of half moon coin laid out on each other).
The older gentleman I was originally referencing who used the Torch-wire technique fabricated a dozer trailer for my Dad. His welded beads on it had a similar, maybe more rustic) artistic coin bead work. Anybody got pictures of torch-wire welds?
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