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ACinSC 
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 4:56am |
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It's 32 degrees here this morning . Wouldn't it have to be in the 20's before the water in my D 15 tires freezes ? It's in my shop now , just wondering . Thanks
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DougS
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 5:30am |
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It could probably get down into the low 20s if only for a few hours. OTOH 48 hours of 31.5 and it will probably freeze.
Edit add: Do not try this at home with only water in your engine, folks. Not that anyone would run straight water even in the summer.
Edited by DougS - 16 Nov 2018 at 7:38am
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 5:43am |
I found out, the hard way, that the left rear of Milton is 'loaded'. While whacking it off the hub ,it went down hard onto the side bench. Good thing my welds held ! Figures though, the ONE gret treaded rear and the PO loaded it. I can see it taking a couple days at <32 to freeze a water filled tire if it's full. Less water, it'll freeze faster.
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ACinSC
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 5:43am |
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Yeah Doug , that's what I was thinking . Thanks
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cpg
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 7:30am |
If it starts to freeze just get on some concrete and do some burnouts to warm the tires back up! 
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 8:31am |
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Some of the tractor jocks brought tractors in Arizona and brought them to Iowa. 16.9X30's will freeze solid at 29 degrees. I have unbolted them from the tractor and put them in the tire shop by the furnace. It takes 3 days to thaw them out. I have seen them sit below zero and destroy the tire.
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ACinSC
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 12:40pm |
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Thanks for all the help . Previous owner put water in the back tires . I'm getting close to having this old tractor running well enough to do some harrowing . Then I'll decide about keeping the ballast or not .
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NomoreJohnDeere
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 12:54pm |
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waters as cheap to drain out as it is to put back in
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ACinSC
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Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 9:30am |
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Yeah , water is cheap . Wouldn't I need some kinda pump to drain it all out ? Always heard as long as the tractor's not driven with ice in the tires it won't hurt anything . Is this not true ? Don't have too many days that cold around here . Thanks
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 9:41am |
Water is a very unique compound in comparison to most others, in that when it freezes, it assumes a crystalline structure which occupies MORE space in solid, than liquid form.
The pressure that freezing water generates is in the vicinity of 115,000psi, and the expansion volume is about 9 percent.
If the tire is 'full', then freezing will ruin it... and the rim. If there's sufficient expansion volume, it will freeze, but expansion will occupy the empty space.
So the initial thought of most, would be that filling it to 90% would be okay, right? No... because when it gets to that last percent, the AIR that's in that tire is under INCREDIBLE pressure (remember... you're displacing air when the water expands).
If there's less than 50%, then you're CLOSE to being okay, but as it sits, if the TOP of the tire freezes before the BOTTOM, then the bottom will be sealed, and the expansion will ruin just the lower half...
So if you can't drain 'em completely, better to drain 'em down to less than 20% than just a little...
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Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 10:01am |
I had filler my Z-turn mower drive tires. I wanted to drain them a few week ago. I rotated them until the stem was at the bottom and removed the valve core, and keep adding air as necessary, then when the tire was flat, I took a plastic tube that fit snug over the stem and another plastic tube that was the snout of a Zoom oil bottle, drilled a small hole in first plastic tube and inserted the Zoom tube through that hole and the tire stem to the bottom of the tire. And added air with air hose blow tip.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 10:22am |
With a Tip of the Hat to Marshall Henderson: ...The two most destructive forces of nature:
Ice... and Mice.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 8:26pm |
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My son has a new orange loader tractor with 16.9 X 34 rear tires and put sugar beet juice in the tires for weight. It will not rust if it ever develops a leak like calcium chloride will rust a rib. When filling a tire with a liquid just fill to the top of the rim with the the valve at the top, this allows for some cushion for the tire. We have had beet juice in tires for 5 years and have had no problems.
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ACinSC
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Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 4:51am |
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Thanks for the input . The tires on my old D 15 are really sad. Pretty low on my priority list right now . I'll check out beet juice when I replace them .
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Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 5:29am |
Another thing to consider with water is if your tractor has tubes, the damage that ice can do to the tube, is like putting the tube through a shredder. to get most of the water out, simply fill wit air, and tip the tire over, valve stem down, so that the VS is as low as possible... 
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Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 9:56am |
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Beet juice is good tire ballast that doesn't freeze and is heavier than plain water and not corrosive and it is expensive. Calcium carbonate solution is heaviest and been used for a long time but eats rims if not in a tube. I had a tire with calcium carbonate split an inside sidewall and it sprayed to tractor (MF-135) that rusted under the aluminum paint on the drive line instantly. I was on the road taking a three point back hoe to a welding shop about 15 miles from my farm when the tire split. The replacement tire that i got put on a few days later doesn't have any liquid weight, nor the other remaining tire.
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Richardmo
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Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 12:47pm |
If they do have water do not drive the tractor around if they freeze. I have been bringing tractor out of the south for years and few times have forgotten to drain the water out of the tires, as long I did not move the tractor have not had issue with letting it warm up and drain them.
Edited by Richardmo - 18 Nov 2018 at 12:48pm
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Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 6:14pm |
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Thanks Richard , that's what I've always heard .
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Posted: 18 Nov 2018 at 9:17pm |
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I put windshield washer fluid in mine...been about 3 years now ...no problems....it was rated for -30...
Last winter it was in the low single digits for several weeks...didn't freeze so I will say it works good for me....was relatively cheap....I put 55 gal. In each rear tire....guessing around 850-900 pounds....helps with the loader
My .02
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