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    Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 9:57pm
I need gas for my 49 ac g. What do I put in it these days. I guess I can’t get leaded gas. I found a station that had regula lead free gasoline that had no e10. Should I use an additive. Should I use high test premium cause they have cleaners. I’ve learned that premiums come also with e10 or no e10? It’s so confusing
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Regular unleaded is fine. No ethanol is a plus! HTH Tracy
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I use the same as Tracy in everything from the one cylinder two stroke to the modern day 8 cyl guzzler.  Non ethanol is too much of a hassle for me to find and transport, that being said I would always use that if available in things that get little use.

My two lawn machines sit all winter with E10 in them (treated) and fire right up in the spring.

My eldest tractor (1950) spends most of its time under cover in the bard.  It is stored defueled.
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Tks for the reply dave, good point, it is hard to find
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I only use premium no ethanol  in everything, from lawn mowers to
tractors with Sta-bil in the tank for storage.
I had nothing but problems trying to use regular with E10.
Using premium  no E10 has made a big difference.
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I just put three gallons of 87 no ethanol in my Geri Can. :) I mixed 2.5 ounces of StaBil with it. This is to feed my snow blower through the winter. Last year when I did this I had enough left over to run my lawn mower all summer, right up until last weekend. With that year old gasoline, I never had any problems. The mower always started on the first pull.
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i used to use stabil but i did some research on long term fuel stabilizers and found that stabil doesnt do a very good job with the ethanol fuel,,,

i wanted long term stabilization,,,,because my gasoline tank only gets new fuel when it is empty,,,about every 2 years,,,,and i use that gasoline for everything ,,,mowers chain saws,,and my 170 gas,,,,they all sit a lot,,,until needed

i found a product called PRI-G,,,,they also make PRI-D,,,, one for gas and one for diesel,,,and they claim it will stabilize the ethanol in the fuel too,,,so i started using it about 5 years ago,,,,never had any trouble with the stored fuel,,,,it is always fresh,,,,i just had gasoline put in the tank a month ago,,,treated it with PRI-G when it was put in,,,,last load of gasoline had been in the tank for two and a half years,,,,,not one speck of a problem,,,,

just my opinion,,, but,,, i think PRI  is better than stabil,,,it cost more but you use less per gallon,,so it may be cheaper in the long run,,,BUT you cant find it at walmart,,,not sure about parts stores,,,,i get it on line when i need it,,,,for me i wont go back to stabil,,,,,PRI-G or D for me,,,all the time in all stored fuel

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StaBil claims to work in E10. The usual dose is a half an once per gallon. It's hard to use less when I'm making 2 or 3 gallons.
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I've used PRI-G  for the last 2-3 years and have had no problems.
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I don't use anything bUT E15 in everything. Not a problem with anything. I Dont use additives, except 2 cycle oil for the chain saw.
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Corrosion can be more of a problem with E15 if your vehicle isn't Flex Fuel. That won't show up right away. Give it 4 or 5 years and see.
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Tks folks for the good responses
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:43pm
Jim-  You noted 'leaded fuel'... it's a very common misnomer that antique cars and tractors somehow 'need' leaded fuel.  I've had guys tell me I'm gonna ruin my '24 Model T and '29 Model T Fords on regular pump gas, but they're wrong-  TEL was 'available' but only in select circumstances, as early as 1923, but it saw no substantial proliferation of use until midway through WW2, in high altitude supercharged piston aircraft engines.  After the war ended, it became much more common in automobile fueling stations... but it wasn't a 'necessary thing'.

It only BECAME necessary after automotive manufacturers realized that they could skimp on production, by just relying on requiring leaded fuel, and as such, it is really only necessary in SOME automotive engines- particularly two categories: low grade engines (ones that don't use hardened valve inserts) and high-compression ones that wouldn't run full-advance or full horsepower, or high altitude... without it. 

Your tractor's engine is an INDUSTRIAL engine- not only was it designed to not need tetraethyl lead, it doesn't even need GASOLINE... they were designed to run on a myriad of fuels, and factory available with PROPANE for mobile... and would burn natural gas in stationary applications as well.  There's no adding TEL to Propane and NG.

This is same for ALL industrial engines-  if they're true industrials, the valve seats and valves are absolutely FINE without TEL.

Ethanol 10 is fine, but only as long as you pour it in, and run it through.  Don't leave it sit in storage- Ethanol does not 'mix' with petroleum, it merely stays in 'suspension'... so the alcohol 'settles' to the bottom of the tank.  It's also very hygroscopic- it's a dessicant- absorbs moisture from the air, and from surrounding fuel, and collects it at the bottom, where the mixture corrodes dissimilar metals in your carbeurator, fuel line, sediment bowl and tank, and when you go to start it, you get straight water, then saturated alcohol, before getting any gasoline.  For long term, either run it dry, or use regular non-ethanol.  When you go for spring startup, dump all the 'storage' fuel into a separate can, pour in several gallons of fresh fuel, and get it running.  If the stuff you dumped smells 'sweet', then find some 'other' use for it... the investment you make in time and trouble will be much less than the frustration of a fuel system cleaning.
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No E of any type keeps our engines running smooth...despise that stuff...I’m sorry to all the corn farmers. Just my experience. Causes check engine light to come on in older vehicles also due to O2 senser issues. Seafoam cleans them up. Never run the stuff unless I cant find no E fuel.
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Does anyone use Sea Foam?
We have 2 stations within 10 miles that sell non-alcohol gasoline. Not a big deal to stop a time or two a year to get 2-3 cans. I have used this for several years in the old tractors that sit a lot and not had any problems, unlike the ethanol gas. Also use in the rototiller. I always shut the gas off and run till they die.
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Tks Dave, Ilot of relative history. Gas brands have been quite involved in this. I don’t run my tractor. Much. So it sits in closed shed, especially winters. My age is shutting me down. I still love to start it is and listen to the purrrr
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I’ll get on google and study it, tks
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Illinois has been on E10 for 30 years. I first started using it in my 1989 F250 when new. Been in EVERYTHING I own since then. 7 small tractors, lawn mower, chains saws, No problems.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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We run 91 Non Oxygenated in everything older or anything that sits for any length of time. Have had both a B and WD with plain unleaded sit 6 months or so under cover and the fuel would separate in both their sediment bowls. Even after dumping the fuel from bowl it would separate again. I think the ethanol content pulls the moisture from the air around it. I have pics but they wont upload.

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Read the contents of Seafoam, Isopropyl Alcohol and mineral oil 'Blended Hydrocarbon'.

https://seafoamsales.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Sea-Foam-Motor-Treatment-SDS-v20161205-ENG.pdf
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I use rec fuel in everything but my vehicles. But I don't use my tractors on a daily basis so it doesn't cost me that much overall and they sit for extended periods sometimes. When I bought my wife's atv (2015) I was told not to use seafoam in anything new because it has fine metal particles in that make an engine run hot and everything now is set to run as hot as it could. Machines were being burned up with it. As far as stabil. I understand it would jell ethanol gas. Maybe they changed it now. Most gas now has enough additives in it already. 
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Originally posted by ac hunter ac hunter wrote:


Does anyone use Sea Foam?

Sea Foam is a cleaner, isn't it? If it's a gasoline stabilizer, I'd like to know.
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E10 in everything from the weedeater to the D17.  Never had an issue related to it's use.
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Seafoam is a cleaner, not a fuel stabilizer. Excellent product. Cleans fuel system, carbs, fuel tank,fuel injection, valves, crankcase if you use it in place of same amount of oil. Really cleans the crank case after only 15 minutes. Pretty shocking when you drain the oil. Even works in diesel fuel.
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I've found most gas stations I've been to in Oklahoma have both ethanol and no ethanol. I sometimes skimp and put e-10 in my pickup, but I only put pure gas in my tractors and other equipment that may sit for a while. 
That PRI-G sounds very interesting. I'll have to look it up! 
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Pure gas sure makes a difference in mileage in my vehicles.  Can really tell a difference when I plow with my D-17.  
I do use e-10 when I am forced.
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