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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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This is proubley a dumb question. But I moved my wd45 inside tonight and it was popping faintly out the exhaust, and I thought maybe the plugs were fouling. Do these look like it’s running too rich or oil fouled.
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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If they are dry then it's running rich. If wet then it's oil.
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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There pretty much dry they weren’t soaking wet in oil.Tractor runs fine though and don’t smoke could it still be rich.
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Ed (Ont) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: New Lowell, Ont Points: 1464 |
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If they are dry then probably not rich. Color is important. Should be sort of tan color. If sort of dark or black then could be a bit rich. many of these units now don't do much except idle around or pull small trailer so spark plugs may not look the same as when the motor is worked hard all day. Very hard to see on those huge pics - what I can see looks okay.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Ok I can mess with the carb adjustments and see if it will run leaner.
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Reindeer ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Calgary, AB Points: 650 |
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Look normal for a occasional use machine.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8436 |
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Yea those huge pictures were not good. The resized one looks about normal. These old tractors will run when lots of things are bad, worn, dirty, missing, wet, corroded, rusty, and oily too. :)
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Oh boy tell me about it it’s ran on 2 cylinders no power but it’ll run. Would you be concerned about these or just clean them off every once in a while
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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You can try running a hotter plug.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8436 |
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Clean them and have a new set available to put in too. Plugs can get fouled for a variety of reasons. Yea they don't run great on just two cylinders!:) Wire brush them good. What brand are they. I like Autolite way better than Champion.
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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There Autolite 306’s 2 steps hotter than the original 295
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Reindeer ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Calgary, AB Points: 650 |
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One thing helped my 170 when I was just using it lightly was to change the thermostat out for a 190 degree one. Made starting a lot better and kept the plugs in better shape. Others may not feel that is the best thing but helped a lot as I used the tractor for snow removal so cold starts were a problem with fouled plugs.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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That's another thing it never gets to 170 I don't know if the guage is wrong if the thermostat is stuck open
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Reindeer ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Calgary, AB Points: 650 |
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The original thermostat for my 170 was 165 degree as they were expected to work hard, rather than the sedate life they often have now.
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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the AC-45 plugs work good on the wd-wd45's need good wires'
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Are those AC plugs still as good with the resistor inside
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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there still good' you can still get the AC-46 also;
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Do you think there better than a Autolite?
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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i wound'it take a autolite plug home for it. they can't keep a push mower running.
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Michael V (NM) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2453 |
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Everyone has different opinions.. This is my thoughts about champion plugs....specially in AC's.. |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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For at least 15 or 20 years I have found that Champion plug ceramic inside doesn't clean up after getting oiled or carboned from running rich. I have also found in their catalog that vintage tractor plugs are built with an air gap to raise the voltage from the ignition coil because old tractors are always oil burners. There have to be better plugs on the market.
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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When we sold them we loved the AC 45, AC 47, and AC 48. The AC 48 being the hottest plug. They worked fine, but that was in the 50's and very early 60's.
From being on this site I have learned from SteveNJ that the Auto Light is his plug of choice. Don't remember the number. From our experience we did not use Champions. Just remember that was at least 55 years ago. Things change. Good Luck! Bill Long |
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923 |
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When I was a kid growing up we used Champions in everything! Now I won't use em in my lawn mower. Something happened cause they are nothing but junk now. IF, and I say IF, they fire up good for whatever you are putting them in, then let the engine cool off, it's a real bit*$ getting it running again. I don't know what they did...... My go to is NGK. Spendy, but trustworthy.
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19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11929 |
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Like anything else, everyone has there choice of flavors. I never had any luck with Champion Spark Plugs. Doesn't mean someone else had the same issues as I did. They may not have a problem with them. As my pal Bill Long mentioned, I've been an Autolite dealer since 1970, and had very good luck with their plugs. We sell Autolites to our Antique Car and Truck customer's as well as our AC Tractor customer's, and they seem to be the popular plug amongst AC collectors. For Magneto fired Tractors I always suggested to our customer's to use the hotter 295's. For our customer's running Battery Ignitions (Distributor) if the engine was recently rebuilt, I suggest using the 303's which is the cooler plug. For worn engines that may or may not show a little smoke in the exhaust, I suggest to run the 295 plugs. The 295 plug's are the hotter heat range plug which work quite well in worn engines and do not foul as easy. I've also tried NGK plugs just to experiment with in my own Tractors, and they seem to work well and not foul as easy also. As far as the picture of that plug above, I'm with Reindeer on that one. That plug looks fine to me. Starting and stopping a Tractor often isn't good on a spark plug no matter who the mfr is. If you don't put the Tractor to work after its fired up, there's a big window there that a plug could possibly foul and misfire. With the cold weather upon us, this problem can increase two fold where rich mixtures of fuel combined with a worn & low compression cylinder can easily foul a plug.... HTH
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Well this tractor never gets up to operating temp 170 I've never seen the guage in the green mark even after pulling a heavy drag around for 2 hours so I'm wondering if I should try to put a bag on the grill to try and act like shutters.
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Phil48ACWC ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan 2013 Location: Vermont Points: 297 |
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I bought a set of these NGK Iridium Spark Plugs from Rock Auto (best price). The full part # is XR4IX / 7189. My WC with WD 45 engine has never run better. I had a brand new set of Autolite 295 in there and Number 1 plug would occasionally miss. Number 1 plug had a little color on the porcelain and all the other plugs were clean and like new. I swapped it with # 3 cylinder and then # 3 cylinder started to miss. So the miss followed the plug. I'll never run a conventional plug in anything I own again. NGK Iridium Plugs are a great product!
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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Copper core plugs give the hottest spark, fire the easiest, but last the shortest time. Platinum plugs take more voltage to fire, but they last longer. Personally, I wouldn't use platinum without high energy ignition. Iridium plugs are sort of in-between, but very expensive. If your plugs tend to oil-foul you may as well go with the less expensive ones and plan on changing them more often.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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I do try to work it when I run the tractor but do you think that the Temp has anything to do with the plugs not cleaning?
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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The warmer the engine, the cleaner and more efficiently it will run. Those old Oil Pull tractors used oil as the coolant and were able to run much hotter. Of course the upper limit of how warm you can run an engine is dependent of how much heat the various engine components, including the oil, can handle. Predetonation can be an issue with hot engines too. |
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Sorry about those huge pictures I didn't realize that until I logged in on my computer I've been posting from my iPhone and they looked fine.
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