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shameless dude 
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Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 10:48pm |
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bought a new magnetic block heater for the 180. where ya'll think it would do the most good on where I should put it? it has a new Kat's heater, and it heats, but it won't circulate the water like it should, I replaced it (the Kats) exactly where/how the previous one was mounted, and it was according to the instructions. so I thought i'd try the magnetic type this time.
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MACK
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 8:06am |
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Most of the magnetic heaters I have seen would be doing good to keep my hands warm.
put it on oil pan so heat will go up to the block. MACK
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DougS
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 8:21am |
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I’m familiar with a dipstick heater that worked well heating the crankcase of a gasoline engine. I don’t know how it would have worked with a diesel.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 8:54am |
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when you talk about this Kats heater, I assume that you talking about a tank heater, and that should be "over the top" good. After you put it on, did you run the tractor up to operating temperature, and then make sure that the radiator was topped off full? I'm in agreement with Mack about magnetic block heaters.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 9:05am |
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I followed the directions of the tank heater, that was a few years ago now, but I usually don't use this tractor in winter, but it's gots my hyd crane on it and I need it now. I plugged the magnetic one in I just bout...and that thing gits HOT! whew! i'll see if it works good or not. it's not a Kat's brand heater
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 9:28am |
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I have one with the magnetic base. I just stick it to the bottom side of the oil pan. Works good.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 12:08pm |
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I heard those heaters that go in the dipstick hole "burn" the oil. Is that even possible?
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 1:23pm |
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All the immersion heaters I've installed always say you MUST plug them in when the oil is still hot to prevent crystallizing. Whatever that means.
A coolant block heater you can plug in any old time, but in the oil, you are supposed to plug them in immediately while the oil is still hot.
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TimNearFortWorth
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 2:05pm |
We used plug-n circulating heaters plus magnetic type on oil pans for years in WY, never had an issue; 8V and 12V Detroits on tri-plex pumps out in the open with little or no "wind walls". We also had plug-ins for CAT 3208/3408's that were nearer the big gensets, plus circulating ports plumbed where we could plug in the one ton big block crew cab, hand control throttle set at high idle and let it sit for an hour to help. Can't say I miss it, -30F plus wind chill . . . .
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 4:43pm |
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I've used one on my CA just stuck it to the side of the oilpan under the carb. cA had a winter front on it and it worked ok. Still had to let run for half an hour before hydraulics would work. Both WD 45s have Kats 1500 watt circulating heaters on them. With insulated engine blankets that cover from the radiator back to the cab. At 20 below they'll start up after the heaters have been plugged in for an hour. Had to let the magnetic one go for 4 hours before it would start.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 4:50pm |
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I got 1 of them stuck to the wall of my machine shed. Bought it 1 -30 below day for the then- not so old gals car. Probably been there 25 years - stuck it on the bottom of the oil pan. Worked on a 4 cyl Chevy.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 6:39pm |
I gots too many tractors, some in sheds, wif no power. If I need to start something in these sheds, I slide a coleman tent heater under the oil pan, and in 45 mins or so, it starts like a warm day in spring...
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 6:43pm |
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What Littlemarv AND DiyDave said
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Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 9:27pm |
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Throw that heater away and plumb the tank heater in correct you will have a much better outcome
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Posted: 05 Dec 2017 at 7:30am |
Talk about opening your mouth before engaging brain.............................WHEW!!
 shameless dude wrote:
where ya'll think it would do the most good on where I should put it? |
I'll tell ya where to put it! All kidding aside, put it in the junk drawer. Put a tank heater on or put some external heat on it. I use a torpedo heater when I need the tractor.. Just drop a tarp over the whole thing and let it heat up. Works better and quicker than anything. Works SO GOOD that way, that I'll never put a tank heater (or any other type) on again. They tend to start fires! Hope this helps buddy. IF you're fibbin us, and want to thaw out that darn pretty machine, use a tank heater or a torch. Pile DRY straw all around it to keep the heat in. You gotta get REAL CLOSE to it though and it just might start on fire, but that's OK,,,,,,,it'll heat up faster and be ready to go to work......maybe...hehehe
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Posted: 05 Dec 2017 at 9:47am |
I'm thinking you should put it on your belt buckle for winter warmth. Or is your case Shameless, you could attach it to that plate they put in your head!! 
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TREVMAN
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Posted: 05 Dec 2017 at 9:13pm |
Put it on the bottom of the pan, itll heat up the oil. I use them even if the water jacket heater, circ or block is working. Itll start but that oil is still like molassas. I believe the pan heater will heat the oil enough itll get to the bearings etc a lot faster. Look on you tube, some interesting vids. It will also smoke the paint off the pan, FYI. Good luck, Trev.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 7:03am |
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I got a coolant heater on the New Holland that goes in the water jacket on side of the block. I got it from the dealer and installed it myself. I really like that thing, it keeps the block warm to the touch and it starts right up. The White has a crankcase heater that came on the tractor. I always just plugged it in while the tractor was cold. It's slower than the coolant heater, it takes an hour or longer and it makes a humming noise after a while.
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TimNearFortWorth
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Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 7:31am |
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Don't throw it away Shameless, you may need it to get the "snow maker unit" started soon. Seems you may be about to start that thing up soon, just point it north!
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Posted: 07 Dec 2017 at 8:01pm |
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So what is the best way to plumb in a tank heater? I have a 190 and D17 (both diesels) and have not been pleased with how they warm up the block. Inlet of heater comes from the side of the engine block outlet goes to water pump and consequently the heat rises to the radiator instead of the head.
Alex (WI)
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Posted: 08 Dec 2017 at 6:03pm |
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On one of our 185's(180 should be the same), I took off an old inline tank heater and put in the coolent heater that goes in a frost plug on the block. Works much faster and looks a lot neater. I'm not sure if there's room to put one of those on a 190xt though.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2017 at 9:50pm |
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which frost plug did you use Pete?
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