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    Posted: 09 May 2012 at 12:49am
I had a pesky tubeless wheel barrow and rear lawn mower tire that was always flat every time I wanted to use it. They were those type of leaks that had many little bubbles around the tire when I sprayed soapy water on it. Instead of buying a tube for each I had some remnants of oil base paint in cans that was drying out so I broke the bead and dumped some of the paint in the tire, put air in it and mowed the yard about 5 weeks ago and the tire still is holding air.
  I thought I would pass this along, it is a cheap easy fix.
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If I was going to take the wheel Off and break the beads down, I think I would have a tube standing by ready to install.
 
Fix it right and be done - not just a Band-Aid fix.
 
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Nella I assume PO#2 but in a pinch PO#1.lol   I have the same pesky issues with a jack wheel I installed on my rake tedder!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nella(Pa) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2012 at 6:59am
Originally posted by Gary Gary wrote:

If I was going to take the wheel Off and break the beads down, I think I would have a tube standing by ready to install.
 
Fix it right and be done - not just a Band-Aid fix.
 
Gary

I only break one bead and only far enough to pour the paint in. Trying to seal both beads with the paint in there can be messy. I hope the repair will last a long time because some of the tires you get today are very poor quality along with the tubes. If it don't work the worst will be I will end up with a painted rim and be rid of some spoiling paint.
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Originally posted by captaindana captaindana wrote:

Nella I assume PO#2 but in a pinch PO#1.lol   I have the same pesky issues with a jack wheel I installed on my rake tedder!

What I used was an indoor oilbase wood paint that had some age to it, don't know where it came from, it had about 1/2 to 1" of dried paint on top so it was no good for painting. If it don't work very long I will have to "eat my paint" and let you Allis Men know!!
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hate to burst your bubble but you may as well consider that tire junk if you put oilbased paint in there. the oil will rot your tire out. it makes it very very soft and eventually it will fall apart. usually if it were me i would spend the little extra time and money and fix it right.
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Well, boys and girls, this old man is halfway between 70 and 80 yrs, and I have found that it is always better to "do it right the first time" !!!
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Originally posted by bobkyllo bobkyllo wrote:

hate to burst your bubble but you may as well consider that tire junk if you put oilbased paint in there. the oil will rot your tire out. it makes it very very soft and eventually it will fall apart. usually if it were me i would spend the little extra time and money and fix it right.


The paint will not rot the tire and make it fall apart, so that will not burst my bubble or tire! If I would have to plug the tire or have to use the check spring that might affect my bubble a little, but it sure beats $20 for a junk Chinese inner tube. 
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With a wheelbarrow, you could step up to a 4.80x8 trailer tire for not much more money than the wheelbarrow tire.  you'd never wear it out!  

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Good job Nella! i ike your thinking! i also had a leaky wheel barrow tire, i used that spray foam in it, the nozzel fit right down into the valve stem, i just kept squirting it in, and it hasn't gone flat since! use what ya gots!
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Originally posted by nella(Pa) nella(Pa) wrote:

I had a pesky tubeless wheel barrow and rear lawn mower tire that was always flat every time I wanted to use it. They were those type of leaks that had many little bubbles around the tire when I sprayed soapy water on it. Instead of buying a tube for each I had some remnants of oil base paint in cans that was drying out so I broke the bead and dumped some of the paint in the tire, put air in it and mowed the yard about 5 weeks ago and the tire still is holding air.
  I thought I would pass this along, it is a cheap easy fix.



I would like to give an update on how the oil base paint in the tire worked. The tire lawnmower rear(23x10.50-12) just started leaking like it did before, so it lasted about 5yrs. The paint was old and had a crust on top, I put all of it in the tire which was about 1 1/2 to 2 qts. So I will try it again to see how it works.


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Bought a new wheel barrow rim, tire with tube and fully inflated at Lowe's last week for $21. Would of bought just a tube, but for a few more bucks bought this instead.
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Any more when I have a leaky small tire, I buy the ones with Slime in them.
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I just recently fix a leaking tire on the 3 point hay rake. Pumped it up some and drilled a hole right thru the middle of the tread, opposite of the valve stem. Then I pulled the core and spray 2 cans of expanding foam in the valve stem. It filled the tube and started coming out the hole. Let the rake set with no weight on the wheel for a day, and I'll never have to touch it again in my lifetime.
 2 cans of foam cost less than a new tube and the tire has enough tread for 30 years of raking.


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Sure are some interesting tire fixes. I would consider them all if it was WW3 and no tires or tubes available. LOL...
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I just installed tubes into the rears of a Cub Cadet(aka MTD) rider as sidewalls were leaky.
There was NO way I could get the tire/rim off the axle, 'rust welded' on , sigh. So, I raised up a side for better access and then broke the outside bead with a 10" C-clamp. It was actually easy to slide the tube in and I remembered to put the valve stem tool on BEFORE pushing the rest of the tube in. Once  all in, inflated to 20PSI in 3 steps, just to allow tube to 'adjust' itself to the tire. That was 4 days ago, still holding air!
One trick I learned with good tubeless tires but bad bead...is to use some spray 'belt dressing' on the rubber bead. I'm 4 for 4 on perfect sealing of the rim.

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This I don't understand, I was in the tire business for 22 years. If you put paint inside a tire, it is all going to run to the bottom of the tire and get hard. When the tire flexes it is going to break up or crack off the tire and turn to eventually turn to dust. As far as putting oil base paint in a tire the guy is right, oil and grease WILL destroy a tire. I've seen it several times with rear tractor tires. Dish soap isn't slick enough to mount most 18.4X34 rear tires. I have seen idiots use grease out of their grease guns for tire lube and then, two years later wonder why the bead on the new tires they put on are soft as putty. Then the tire starts slipping on the rim, rips stems off their tubes, only thing to do is buy another set of tires, get a pro to install them and recycle the old ones. As grand pa said do it right the first time or have someone do it right for you,
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Tom do you know of a grease that would not damage tires??? I ask because there is a local tire store that used grease to help seat beads on tubeless tires. For a number of reasons have not used there services in 10 years,so they may not do that anymore. 
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I've seen rubber cement used. It didn't work. Perhaps if the rim had been power brushed clean first.....
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OLF uses tireject....I wonder if it would work on a 4 rib 10-16 front tractor tire I have with stubble damage? Came out of the field last night and it was low, then went plumb flat in less than a minute. Tried airing it up but it was leaking out about as fast as I put it in right along one of the ribs.
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Originally posted by HD6GTOM HD6GTOM wrote:

This I don't understand, I was in the tire business for 22 years. If you put paint inside a tire, it is all going to run to the bottom of the tire and get hard. When the tire flexes it is going to break up or crack off the tire and turn to eventually turn to dust. As far as putting oil base paint in a tire the guy is right, oil and grease WILL destroy a tire. I've seen it several times with rear tractor tires. Dish soap isn't slick enough to mount most 18.4X34 rear tires. I have seen idiots use grease out of their grease guns for tire lube and then, two years later wonder why the bead on the new tires they put on are soft as putty. Then the tire starts slipping on the rim, rips stems off their tubes,
 


There are different kind of bases for oil and grease. In the paint I use is linseed oil which is  a vegetable oil and will not attack the tire. After the paint is put in the tire you run the machine and the paint will cover the inside of the tire and work the paint into the very fine sidewall holes. The fix lasted 5 yrs. and didn't rot the tire. I also use old lard for the beads on tubeless tires and and rear tractor tires(18.4x34 JD4020) never spun a tire on the rim yet(over 30 yrs.) and the lard doesn't rot the rubber. 


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Originally posted by Ray54 Ray54 wrote:

Tom do you know of a grease that would not damage tires??? I ask because there is a local tire store that used grease to help seat beads on tubeless tires. For a number of reasons have not used there services in 10 years,so they may not do that anymore. 
In the past when I worked at a Good Year shop they had what was called Frey Lube. It's about the consistency of wheel bearing grease. It works great for mounting tires and in the case of aluminum wheels it stops the corrosion from happening. Worked well on rusty steel wheels too.
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I'd of junked the wheel barrow and got a trailer to go behind my garden tractor and
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Ray I do not know of a grease that will not damage tires. They make several brands of paste tire mounting compound, Murpheys is one of them. Anything that has oil or grease in it will destroy tires. I have been out on the road with semi steer tires, out on the road and in the field with tractor and combine tires simply because people used grease or motor oil to mount them. It is a real pain when you have to hook two loaded grain trucks to the back of a darn JD combine that is sitting nose down on a steep hill on a gravel road after dark because some clown used grease to mount the tire. That's a lot of time just to clean off the messey rim, run back to town grab a new 30.5x32 tire and make the trip back, mount it and get them going. That 1 took most of the night. That was only 1 of many. Oh they brought the combine to the shop the next day and we mounted a new tire on the other side. That tire was destroyed too. I have seen the same thing with kids mounting 12x16.5 tires on white spoke rims. They brought the tires to us for adjustment. The dealer where they bought them told them just what they did and could not help them. We couldn't help them either, but did clean up the mess and mount up 4 new mudder's. Dish soap ain't slick enough to mount tires been there tried it.
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If you use Dawn dish soap it will dry out the tire. DAwn dish soap will remove​ the oils from the tire. I'm not sure about any.other brands
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