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    Posted: 06 Jun 2017 at 11:52am
Would this be an ok match for a CA? I think its an 8' no. 20. Correct me if im wrong...
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A six foot is best from my experience with C or CA. I would say that disc would be good for WD or WD-45 especially in plowed or loose soil. On the CA even with snap coupler I believe you will have tire slippage problems, might work o k with rear duals.  Leon
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With plenty of weight the CA should handle it, the front end may get a little bit light though.
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Originally posted by Leon n/c AR. Leon n/c AR. wrote:

A six foot is best from my experience with C or CA. I would say that disc would be good for WD or WD-45 especially in plowed or loose soil. On the CA even with snap coupler I believe you will have tire slippage problems, might work o k with rear duals.  Leon
This. We pulled an eight foot disk with a WD and that matched up about right. Weight, especially that far back, will definitely be a front end issue with a CA. If the disc blades are sharp and you're in soft soil you won't be going anywhere.
 
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That is a 100 series disc.  The 20 series did not have the beaming screw coming up at an angle like the one in the picture does.  A 20 series only has a small wing-type screw at the front of the disc that allows you to change the fore/aft pitch only slightly.  The 100 series beaming screw affords more adjustment.

A CA will have enough power to pull it.  But, as others have noted you may need more front-end weights.  Duals would be good for the rear in soft plowed ground.

Maybe Dennis A. will chime in with a picture of his.
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Brian, I think that this is the photo of a CA & duels with his disc that you were refering to!

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Originally posted by DSpears N IL DSpears N IL wrote:

Brian, I think that this is the photo of a CA & duels with his disc that you were refering to!

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Yep, that's it.  And I believe that is a #40 disc he is pulling.  Was that at Ted's AC Jamboree?
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That disc can easily be handled by a CA if the hitch is set properly. A maladjusted piece of equipment no matter what it is will be hard to pull and many just think you need a bigger tractor. I have the same disc (28 blades) in a 20 series for my CAs and the only thing is without weights it will get light in the front.
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Brian!
Yes, that was at Ted's AC Jamboree!
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Does it hurt to weight up the ca quite a bit?
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Originally posted by DakotaSteve DakotaSteve wrote:

Does it hurt to weight up the ca quite a bit?
Watch the front end. Too much weight there can be hard on the spindles if you hit something.
 
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This very disc fit hundreds of acres behind a C in the 1940's. If your clever enough to set the disc to soil conditions it will work fine behind a CA. If you think setting it at its widest angle and never look back you probly will need a D 19.



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Dick is that the same disc as mine or is yours a 20?
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I assume that the 100 series disc came out to be the perfect match for the wd45?
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Originally posted by DakotaSteve DakotaSteve wrote:

Dick is that the same disc as mine or is yours a 20?


It is an eight foot Oliver disc.
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OK, I have a 'silly' question....
In the picture the right,outer tire is a different tread pattern than the rest. Does it matter at all that it is NOT the same? Guy up the road has 8 on his HUGE tractor, 2 are 'oddballs'.
Just curious.....

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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

OK, I have a 'silly' question....
In the picture the right,outer tire is a different tread pattern than the rest. Does it matter at all that it is NOT the same? Guy up the road has 8 on his HUGE tractor, 2 are 'oddballs'.
Just curious.....

Jay

You're talking about the rh dual on the tractor?  No, it doesn't really matter.  I mean, sure, different tire manufacturers tout their claims to fame about ride, footprint, mud cleaning, traction, slippage, wear, yadda yadda yadda.....Short answer, no, it doesn't really matter.
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I used the 20 series disc for about 2 years without any added weight on front. It was light and I would steer with the brakes at times but the frontend would stay on the ground. I could not find the Allis side or front wheel weights. So, I made my own weights out of 1-1/4" steel parts that my employer scraped out. All I did was drilled holes in them and bolted them on the front where the cultivator bracket would attach. That added about 150 pounds which made a big difference on steering, no more braking. After about 3 years I made up a set of duels. This really made a difference. Before the duels the "CA" would pull the disc fine but also dig in. It's a little hard to explain. The tires did not "slip" but I could also feel the rear end go down when the disc was lowered. After the duels were added the tractor never had that sinking feeling. It just stood tall and proud as it did it's work. It really feels more like a small "WD" in the field.
I had to prove to many people from my family, friends and to everyone on the internet just what a small Allis can do. It was and at times still is an up hill battle to change the mind sets that people have about what can and can't be done.
When I first got my "CA" my dad could not figure out why I bought such a small, little, powerless, weak tractor. Then I picked up a 2 bottom plow for it. Oh boy did I hear how that little tractor will never pull 2 bottoms.
Now here is where the mind set comes in. My family has been using Allis equipment since 1938 when they bought the first tractor for the farm which was a "WC". As time went on they up graded to the "WD"'s and "WD-45"'s. Because my grandfather did not know how to setup the tractor or plow they only were able to pull a 2 bottom plow behind a "WD-45".
Well needless to say that My family was amazed that the "CA" handled that 2 bottom very well. They started to listening to me more but with skepticism. I found a 4 bottom plow for the "WD-45" and got both units setup. Again they were amazed that their "WD-45" was plowing with 4 bottoms. Finally the mind set had been broken and some real growth had begun. Now we pull five bottoms behind the "D-17".

Don't think you need more just because others don't know any better. I have never heard Allis over sell a tractor yet.

Sorry for the long reply, it turned in to little more than expected.
       
Here's a few more pictures.







CA Discing Video
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Wow! Very interesting. Thanks!
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Excellent, detailed description Dennis.  Definitely not too long, and well-received by us CA believers.  Here, here!!
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Originally posted by DakotaSteve DakotaSteve wrote:

Does it hurt to weight up the ca quite a bit?

On my "CA" I have factory inner and outer rear wheel weights, factory side flank weights, factory front outer wheel weights and custom made front inner wheel weights (could not find the factory inner front split weights at the time).
I would assume that Allis engineers would have designed the "CA" to safely accommodate all the weights Allis offered for the tractor.
When you watch the proving grounds film and see that Allis mounted about 7-8 outer rear weights per side and they are bouncing it all around the field and trying to push the front through the mud you should start to understand just how robust the CA is. I can't imagine ever treating a tractor that bad. If it can withstand all that abuse just think how long the CA would last just doing day to day work on a farm.
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Where does a guy see this old film?
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Originally posted by DakotaSteve DakotaSteve wrote:

Where does a guy see this old film?

Just click on the link below
It's got to be good
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Wow that was awesome! I enjoyed that.
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