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dt1050
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Topic: almost a huge mistakePosted: 28 May 2017 at 5:54am |
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Gonna switch the d14 over to an alternator since the genny had crapped out. a friend had 2 alternators in his garage that needed rebuilt one off a 1979 firebird and another from a 69 buick gsx. I only needed them to figure out the brackets so no big deal they needed rebuilt. firebird alt. was to big, the gsx was perfect! spent the rest of the day fiddling with the brackets to get every thing lined up. the next morning decided to price a alt. online. to my surprise it was only 50 bucks, good, checked the specs. it has an external voltage regulator!!!!! all that work for nothing!!! luckily between me and the fella at the parts store we found a alt from a 1985 celebrity 4cylinder was the same size as the one from the gsx.
moral of the story, check to make sure it's the part you want before spending all day making brackets!!!! |
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 6:00am |
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BTDT.... when I grabbed the CS130 series alternaotrs for my 4 D-14s I made SURE I got the wiriing connector at the same time. Local autoparts guys want $24 for JUST the connector !!
alts and cons were free from scrapped cavaliers, so all the same..... it's also a great idea to take pictures BEFORE you tear apart anything.....otherwise you'll spend hours wondering where a bolt goes ONLY to find out it was NEVER on the D-14 to begin with... Jay |
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 6:13am |
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You didn't waste your time if you used a "DN" series Alternator for mock up. Its basically the same configuration as its "SI" cousin even it it was clocked a little differently. The cases and the mounting is basically the same. The wiring of coarse is different being a external VR is used with a "DN" series vs the internal regulated "SI" cousin.
Steve@B&B Edited by Steve in NJ - 28 May 2017 at 6:15am |
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 7:27am |
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I thought I was going to have to start all over, knowing my luck that was the only alternator that was designed that way...lol
when I pulled the dash foreward to get at the ignition and alt meter wiring I pulled all the conections out for the ignition...ad to figure all them out, before running any wires for the alt. I also had to disconnect the power booster and oil pressure lines, just an fyi, if you start the tractor with those lines unhooked it will shoot oil 12 ft....want to guess how I know that? ![]() |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 7:44am |
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On an old tractor where the wiring is shot I install a one wire alternator run it to the
where the battery cable hooks to the starter solenoid.Then add a wire off the same connection to run to the ignition and back the starter post on the solenoid and lights if I want lights.I put in a fuse or breaker between the alternator and the solenoid and another one off the wire going to the the other electrical stuff. |
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 8:06am |
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the wiring was good, but most of it came out with the voltage regulator, haven't messed with a generator/regulator is a long time, forgot just how many wires they use. Even though the wiring looked good, I ran new wires for the alt.
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Hurst
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 9:55am |
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I just put a CS130 on my 7000 after my 10si got a little flaky on me last year. Everything mounted right up, only thing is the tach feed reads about 10-15% lower for some reason? But it's nice not having the alternator light coming on faintly with the stadium lights and a/c going! Hurst
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DougS
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 12:14pm |
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Is the pulley the same size?
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Posted: 28 May 2017 at 12:51pm |
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pulley was a different size, I took the pulley off the generator and put it on the alternator
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Hurst
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Posted: 29 May 2017 at 3:26pm |
I used the pulley from the 10si and the same belts. It aligned right up using the mounts for the 10si. I'm not sure what could be different? Hurst |
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DougS
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Posted: 29 May 2017 at 4:43pm |
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When you say "tach feed measures", what do you mean? Are you driving the tach off the P terminal of the alternator? The voltage shouldn't matter much here. The tach should be reading the frequency. The frequency would be the same no matter which alternator, providing the same sized pulley was used.
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 29 May 2017 at 5:55pm |
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There is nothing inherent in the construction of an alternator that guarantees the same frequency for a specific shaft speed. The frequency is set by the number of poles on the rotor and the shaft speed.
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Hurst
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Posted: 29 May 2017 at 10:14pm |
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I imagine the cs130 has a different frequency than the 10si. I would still recommend it for the low rpm amps. I'll have to keep you updated on reliability. This is the first season.
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DougS
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Posted: 30 May 2017 at 4:04am |
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10% error seems odd, though. If it had 8 poles instead of 10 it wouldn't be a 10% difference. Same goes for if it had 10 instead of 12 or 12 instead of 14.
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Hurst
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Posted: 30 May 2017 at 12:54pm |
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It's probably closer to 15%. WOT high idle reads about 2200-2300 instead of a little over 2500 rpms.
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Posted: 31 May 2017 at 9:42am |
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I'm not familiar with the tach. Many tachometers have DIP switches that allow you to change the ratios. If your tach has a case that can be opened, you might want to take a peek inside.
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Posted: 02 Jun 2017 at 7:50pm |
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Thanks for the help! I'll look into it! I wonder if the niehoff alternators used a smaller pulley that would correct the reading?
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 02 Jun 2017 at 8:29pm |
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yes, if the pulley was 15% smaller, you would get 15% more pulses out of the alternator for the same MOTOR revolution.
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Posted: 02 Jun 2017 at 9:40pm |
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If you have a 2 inch pulley on the alternator now, switching to a 1.75 inch pulley should just about bring it to where you want it.
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