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Allis Chalmers "B" - HELP!

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    Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 4:51pm
I have a 1947 Allis Chalmers "B" that has sit in the barn for about 4 years. I started 'fixing it up' a few months ago mechanically (cosmetically it is brilliant) and have came to a halt over this infernal matter.

I replaced the points, plugs, rotary button, coil, sediment bowl gasket, changed the motor oil and filter, changed the breather oil and thoroughly cleaned the associated breather filter screen. I flushed the gas tank and put clean non-ethanol gasoline in it, so everything is running clear. I took off the carburetor and had it totally rebuilt and replaced it.

My issue is that it will immediately start up, however it only runs for about 5 to 10 seconds and then it shuts off. Have have adjusted the carburetor (from a trickle to a full flow) and no effect is noticed one way or the other. The tractor still starts and runs for 5 to 10 seconds and promptly shuts off.

Any advice or assistance anyone could give me would be greatly appreciated.

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Dwayne Hubbard
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is it leaking at the manifold.  was it running before you started replacing parts?   
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It was running several years ago. It was my fathers tractor and he passed away in 2014. The tractor hasn't really been run since about 2012.

It may be around the manifold that is leaking. I had not considered that. The carburetor was rebuilt because I thought it was that which was leaking. However, since the rebuilt one was put on it still streams gasoline somewhat if the flow is strong and steadily set.
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It is most likely trash in the bottom jet on the carburetor.  You almost also always have to disassemble these carburetors and soak them in cleaner to get everything cleaned out.  
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The carburetor was taken off and professionally rebuilt.
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could have a bad coil' check see if it's getting hot'
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Originally posted by dwaynehubbard dwaynehubbard wrote:

It was running several years ago. It was my fathers tractor and he passed away in 2014. The tractor hasn't really been run since about 2012.

It may be around the manifold that is leaking. I had not considered that. The carburetor was rebuilt because I thought it was that which was leaking. However, since the rebuilt one was put on it still streams gasoline somewhat if the flow is strong and steadily set.

Lets start with the leaking carburetor. Is it leaking out the bottom when setting with the gas turned on at the tank?
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Sounds fuel related to me. I would look into the carb. Can u choke it with your hand and get it to run longer
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These vintage tractors with manual choke and updraft carburetor always require full choke for initial starting and then the choke generally needs to be opened within seconds of its initial firing or it will be flooded and will die.

You can tell that by pulling a plug and finding it awash in gasoline.

Otherwise you need to determine if its running out of fuel or losing ignition. Either can kill it in a few seconds. A series timing light could show spark. A plugged screen on the fuel inlet adapter to the carburetor or varnish in the fuel line and/or the sediment filter can limit fuel flow.

Usually an overheating coil runs more than ten minutes before failing, or a condenser can last that long. Most often a condenser doesn't recover from overheating but a coil often does.

Check for spark by taking a plug wire off a plug and hold the bare end of the wire about 3/8" inch from the block and crank the engine. There should be a blue spark that long in air if the ignition is good. Or that could be the wire from the coil to the distributor providing its battery ignition.

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Sounds like a fuel flow problem, either too little or too much. Even though the carb was professionally rebuilt it could still have a piece of trash floating in the bowl and causing problems.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac fleet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 8:15pm
"Professionally " rebuilt don't mean anything!!!----IF you put on a NEW never used carb, things could be different!----And a side note,---- WERE in H--- do you get NON-ETHANOL gas from????? ,----around here there is no such thing!!!! LOL!!!!

Also you might take the needle and seat out and check for free movement, AND make sure the float is set to proper specs.----don't trust "pro.",---check for yourself!!! LOL!!!! thanks; ac fleet
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Several places near by that offer ethanol free gas,  used in lawnmowers.  It cost a little more than the 10% stuff.
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From experience be sure the venturi in carburetor is not installed upside down. 
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If the carburetor is leaking it has (DIRT) in it. It is either from the rebuilder or from the gas tank when the gas was hooked back up. Unless the carburetor has been switched it is a (non adjustable) jet carburetor.  Dirt getting into the bowel will settle thru the little hole just before the power jet.  This is the no adjustable carburetor you should have.

Power jet location

If the idle stop screw is set to fast the above could cause it to not have enough fuel thru the idle circuit.
It the rebuilder used a gasket that fit except for a different carburetor and the air hole was not in the gasket.
Until you have clean gas going into the carburetor from the tank and the carburetor clean your going to have problems. 
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Rebuilding a carb and not putting in a inline filter is a waste of money on an old tractor as
the carb will just fill up with whatever stopped the carb up in the first place.And yes gas will
pass thru an inline filter with gravity flow as I have them on every gas tractor I own and
have 2 on the tractors with fuel pumps like the D19.
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i had my carb professionally rebuilt for my CA couple years ago when I got it put it on wouldn't start so I fooled aroung replacing ignition parts still nothing so I pulled the carb apart, checked the little hole in the bottom where the gas leaves the bowl to the jet and there was a little stone jammed in there and was over looked by the rebuilder! So just because it was professionally done doesn't mean there wasn't something over looked! We are only human it happens!
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When I was very young I remember my father dissembling the B Carb on a sheet of newspaper so he could well see the parts.  He used a very fine wire at the bottom of the carb to clean the bottom jets.  Seemed - as mentioned above - a very normal problem: even in the 40's.  
Also, Check the gas tank for junk.   When units sit for a while it takes several good cleanings to empty them of all junk.  I remember a CA we got new and while it was on the railroad flat car some wise soul had put sand in the gas tank.  We did not know it till we got to the field on a knock down drag out demonstration.  Was doing fine when the CA stopped cold.  We had to clean the tank and get back in the game.  Got the sale.  The customer called later to tell us he had to re clean the tank several times
before it ran clean.
Can't have my favorite and YOUR FATHER'S TRACTOR not running well.
Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
Bill Long 

ps:  you have outstanding advice from from excellent mechanics.  Listen closely
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