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    Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 12:51pm
Never been around the 60xx series at all and know very little about them. First, is the 6080 heavy enough to handle a 700 gallon trailer type Hardi pto sprayer on some hills and on the highway at road speed? We currently use a 200 but wanting to go to a cab tractor. Can it be shifted up or down on the fly without much trouble, to slow down for a ditch or terrace? Don't really want to jump up to an 80xx if I don't have to. And dad won't consider a 70xx.
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that is about 7000 lbs of weight to pull around, you hit a hill at road speed and it will bog down.
The shifting is synchronized so that is not a problem. The 433 is a great motor but not as much torque as your 301 has now.
PTO is live so no worries about using the clutch.
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No offense to dad but rebel against him and get a good 7000 series. Way cheaper and every bit as good mechanically as an 8000 series.
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70xx not an option. I've got a 7020 that I thought would work pretty good but he'll have no part of it. He says he hates getting in and out and can't see nearly as well out of the cab.
Not gonna argue with him, after all, it's his money not mine.
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We had a 6080 with a cab. I loved the engine and the cab, but did not like the transmission at all. IMO I would much prefer the power director trans over the synchronized trans. Plus for some bizarre reason the range shift was where the trans shift should be for a right handed person. very inconvenient. However, for the right application a heck of a tractor.
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I think it would be a good load behind it. If it's not shifted just right, you'll also miss a gear. I dont know if the drawbar is heavy enough either, I know mines not. I think they were made thick on the later ones, or could be my imagination.....
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I pulled a 300 gal sprayer with mine also 5 ton fertilizer buggy (full) with my 6080 and  it handled it ok , i think it would handle it ok, but with the 4 cyl. engine you have to keep it on top of the turbo .
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I have a 500 gallon 3 pt sprayer that I run on my 8070 FWA, and I wouldn't want a smaller tractor on it. I have had it on my 7060 before, but it pushes that tractor around more than I like. Darrel

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We used a 1000 gallon pull type sprayer behind a 6080 2wd for years. Never had a problem. Dad drove it, he is not a cowboy, and usually started on time, so no need to drive real fast.
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How many more years before you can make the decisions? ( I mean that in a nice way, when he retires…then you can call the shots.) Be very careful on the wording if your having this conversation with him. You still want his help but you need to follow your own decisions (passions).

And can you wait until then?

He might live to 87 and still want to call the shots.

I've been in the same situation.   Wanted something bigger, better, but father wasn't interested.   Finally, went ahead with my own money (when I saved enough).   Wow! Wished I would of done it sooner. Made life so much easier.

My father wouldn't say it, but I'm sure he could see the advantage in the upgrades.

If you're running a farm and not a hobby, ideally, get a 7-8000 series. (or whatever tractor with a cab that's newer and bigger {6 cylinder} that you can afford.)
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His money so you'd better find something he wants. Even if it's ........ ugg....... another color.
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I've looked into Agco's line under 100 hp but they are still kinda pricy and there again I know nothing about them.
No offense taken Ron, but his equipment, his ground. I gotta wait for my turn. I work full time and do what I can when I can.
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6000 series is a Fiat tractor with an Allis engine.  PTO is an abomination, has a gear lever on left and a clutch lever on right.  Before you buy, make sure you understand how the PTO works and make the seller hook it to a piece of equipment so you KNOW it works.  Has a duel clutch, if it works, it is great, if not, expect to split the tractor.....$2K+.

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Originally posted by Leon B MO Leon B MO wrote:

I've looked into Agco's line under 100 hp but they are still kinda pricy and there again I know nothing about them.
No offense taken Ron, but his equipment, his ground. I gotta wait for my turn. I work full time and do what I can when I can.
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We have all been there Leon. And you have a great Leader there. Heck of a guy !!!!!
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Thanks IG, me thinks I'll keep an eye out for a 8010 PS to put in front of the sprayer in the future.Thanks for all the input.
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We have 2-6080s. A 2wd open station and a 4wd cab tractor. Both are 85 models with the heavier draw bar. I pull a 10 row 7100 Deere planter on a cart that weighs probably 6-7000# with the 2wd and it handles it fine. They are a heck of a tractor for the size. We put more hours on them than any of the others. The cabs are not as big as an 8000 series and a little louder but still nice. Just be aware of the pto and engine thrust bearing issues and you will be fine. They are a good compromise if you don't want to spend the $ for an 80xx.
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Originally posted by Leon B MO Leon B MO wrote:

Thanks IG, me thinks I'll keep an eye out for a 8010 PS to put in front of the sprayer in the future.Thanks for all the input.
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 I have just what you need.  An 8010 PS FWA.  Would be perfect !!!!!!
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:


Originally posted by Leon B MO Leon B MO wrote:

Thanks IG, me thinks I'll keep an eye out for a 8010 PS to put in front of the sprayer in the future.Thanks for all the input.
Leon B

 I have just what you need.  An 8010 PS FWA.  Would be perfect !!!!!!


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neighbor pulls at 800 gallon Hardi with a 596 Massey FWA. I think it and a 6080 are about the same size
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Most of your replies so far have barrels of bad information. We pulled a Hardi HC 650 with a 6080 for 10 years roughly. Normally filled it to 600 gallons since that worked out well for a "batch". Unless you lots of very major hills you will be fine. We have a couple substantial hills and just plan and hit them when we are a little emptier not a biggie.   We have since sold the sprayer and went to a Rogator.   

They shift perfectly fine when shifting within the ranges. Some of our fields are 12 plus miles from home.

This year I used our 6080 to pull a 1000 gallon 28 applicator and it did fine.   Honestly more enjoyable than using the 7000.

Someone mentioned they felt 500 was to much for that size tractor we pulled a 500 gallon sprayer with a D17 and survived.
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Originally posted by Daehler Daehler wrote:

Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:


Originally posted by Leon B MO Leon B MO wrote:

Thanks IG, me thinks I'll keep an eye out for a 8010 PS to put in front of the sprayer in the future.Thanks for all the input.
Leon B

 I have just what you need.  An 8010 PS FWA.  Would be perfect !!!!!!


Looks like someone's trying to make room for all them one ninety's.😁

I have bought 2 more since you were here. Hi my name is John. And l am a 190aholic !!!!!! LOL
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Uh, yeah there Victory. I am the bad en that brought up the 500 gallon sprayer thing. For some reason I thought he was talking about a 3 pt hitch sprayer. After I posted, I re-read the original post later on and realized that I had made a terrible mistake, and that he had actually said "pull type". Two complete different animals. My bad. Darrel
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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Uh, yeah there Victory. I am the bad en that brought up the 500 gallon sprayer thing. For some reason I thought he was talking about a 3 pt hitch sprayer. After I posted, I re-read the original post later on and realized that I had made a terrible mistake, and that he had actually said "pull type". Two complete different animals. My bad. Darrel


Daehler, Lonn, and Ranger are the ones I have the most doubts in.   In my mind you have a track record of good advice.   Your reply surprised me.    500 gallons on the 3pt would be a trip they are super light on the nose.
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Originally posted by victoryallis victoryallis wrote:

Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Uh, yeah there Victory. I am the bad en that brought up the 500 gallon sprayer thing. For some reason I thought he was talking about a 3 pt hitch sprayer. After I posted, I re-read the original post later on and realized that I had made a terrible mistake, and that he had actually said "pull type". Two complete different animals. My bad. Darrel


Daehler, Lonn, and Ranger are the ones I have the most doubts in.   In my mind you have a track record of good advice.   Your reply surprised me.    500 gallons on the 3pt would be a trip they are super light on the nose.
What did I say that isn't true? The 7000 series is much cheaper generally and is every bit as reliable as an 8000 series. I really have no input towards a 6000 series as I have never owned one. I have repaired the hydraulic pump on one 25 years ago. Now I gotta go back and see what I exactly said and see if I got to pull my foot out of my mouth. Ermm
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Originally posted by victoryallis victoryallis wrote:

Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Uh, yeah there Victory. I am the bad en that brought up the 500 gallon sprayer thing. For some reason I thought he was talking about a 3 pt hitch sprayer. After I posted, I re-read the original post later on and realized that I had made a terrible mistake, and that he had actually said "pull type". Two complete different animals. My bad. Darrel


Daehler, Lonn, and Ranger are the ones I have the most doubts in.   In my mind you have a track record of good advice.   Your reply surprised me.    500 gallons on the 3pt would be a trip they are super light on the nose.


All I'm saying is that if the drawbar is heavy enough. I pull a fertilizer buggy behind mine and it had less it fine but there isn't much weight on the drawbar. It also has a good amount of power if it's over 1500 rpm. The buggy does become a load on hilly spots though and will push it around a little. I don't know what kind of terrain he's going to be pulling the sprayer on. I love my 6080 to death and think it's a well built and balanced tractor. Just don't know if it's heavy enough.
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Agree with the weight issue, it will handle it but I would want a full rack of front weights and fluid in the rears for traction in hills. They have an ideal pto setup for spraying. Used to pull a 500 gallon 45' sprayer with an open 6080. Visibility was terrific but again it had front weights and loaded 18.4x34's.
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My vote is find a 2wd 8010-8030. Markets are down now. Good time to buy. Can't beat the cab.
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