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steigerbro24 
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 11:03am |
Happy thanksgiving everybody!!
This morning I went out and tried to start my '44 B and even with a freshly charged battery all I was getting was a click from the solenoid and nothing else. I took the battery cables off and cleaned those connections, cleaned the ground connection, the connection from the solenoid to the starter and I even wire brushed the starter and the starter hole so I would get a good connection there. Still nothing so I am kind of lost. My battery clamps are pretty crappy looking so I want to replace my battery cables but I'm wondering if there are any other connections I could have missed. Also on a possible unrelated note, whenever I press the button for the starter the door to my tool box there under the gas tank sucks in like it gets magnetized. Never noticed that before and thought that it was pretty interesting. I hope you all eat plenty of turkey today and thank you to all you guys who grow our food and raise our livestock.
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Peter
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Gary
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 11:16am |
Perhaps starter is jammed in flywheel.
Try turning over with a 'hand crank', or put it in gear and rock back and forth via a rear tire.
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wbecker
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 11:19am |
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Take the starter switch off the starter and look at the contact, it may be in bad condition, also the contact on the battery my need cleaning.
Bill B
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wbecker
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 11:22am |
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I just reread your post. You have a starter solenoid? If so disregard my last post.
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EPALLIS
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 11:57am |
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A couple years back I had something similar to your story. Sure enough the starter just gave up the ghost. Had it rebuilt for $90 and all has been well ever since. Good luck!
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 3:40pm |
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The few hundred amps that a starter can draw normally is enough to make jumper cables leap.The kiloamp that a battery can supply to a short can magnetize lots of stuff. Check the battery voltage while trying to crank, then the voltage at the starter solenoid to see if its the battery backing down from too much load for its condition or if its a wiring problem. Even a test lamp will give a hint, but a voltmeter will give more information.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 4:52pm |
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If your battery clamps are in bad shape there could also be corrosion in the cables where they connect to the clamps. That will kill the current going to the starter because of high resistance. Like Gerald says check the voltage at the battery and at the starter while trying to crank. Also, even if a battery is freshly charged it might not produce enough amperage to turn the starter.
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MACK
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 9:19pm |
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Not a big fan of these smaller Allies, but if ground cable is bolted to steering post, they get rusted in threads where they screw into transmission housing. That may be the reason tool box door moves when starter is engaged. MACK
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AaronSEIA
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Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 5:36am |
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I had that problem with my boys C. Could not get a ground through the steering wheel post. Cable was long enough that I got down to a battery box bolt. It's pretty simple to pull the starter to see if its jammed.
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DiyDave
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Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 5:40pm |
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Check the cables, too. If the greenies get under the insulation(corrosion), it can cause enough resistance, to not start...
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wkiheri
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Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 6:19pm |
Feel the all connections if any are hot after trying to start. More than likely they are bad and need to be cleaned or replaced.
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steigerbro24
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Posted: 26 Nov 2016 at 10:45pm |
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Well I fidured it out. My starter had seized a bit but I was able to get it free with a screw driver and getting the bendix gear to spin. Its weird, I had the starter cleaned and serviced just a couple of years ago. Is there something i can be doing to prevent that?
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Peter
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 8:02am |
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If you have a high moisture content in the barn, or if the weather has been changing back n' forth alot, rust can start on the main shaft from condensation which would hang the drive assy up from returning back to rest. Also, a worn flywheel ring gear could hang it up as well. Might need to renew the drive assy. or have a rebuilder go through the unit. HTH
Steve@B&B
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