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    Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 6:35pm
we do cover crops here. wheat and radishes clover mostly. i bought a gandy air seeder last year to use and i havnt got to yet but  im really wanting to. so iv been on youtube and seen where farmers are interseeding cover crops into the corn while the corn is still young. i think this gives the cover crop a better start then waiting till september or so to plant them...

does anyone do this and has anyone used a gandy orbit air seeder ???? 
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There are many cover crop discussions at:
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=3

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  I do mostly rye in soybean/corn rotation.   alot more variety into wheat stubble that is then pastured.
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Many many yeas ago there were very narrow grain drills that could be pulled by a single horse between the corn rows to get wheat in before harvesting the corn. Everything old is new again. I now see many around here that seed in tillage radishes with wheat. The radishes get killed in the spring when they spray with herbicide and fertilizer. The practice of continuous No-Till of today, has led to many problems that we never had years a go. The ground in this area will pack from nothing more than rain and when it's left to lay still for year after year it will get solid as a brick.

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My grandfather used to walk thru the standing corn in Sept and broadcast turnips so the hogs and cows would have them to eat along with what was left of the corn after we shucked it.I've left spaces in corn (very small scale) so I can ride my Massey Ferguson 1650 garden tractor between the rows to broadcast Crimson Clover and turnips for a cover crop with a Herd seeder.
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I've been using cereal rye now and really like it. Easy to kill and really helps mellow our ground out it seems. I have started raising it for seed to sell though now. Then after that's harvested bale the straw and plant cheap public variety soybeans in the stubble.
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I have Crimson clover just starting to emerge. It is actually a legume so I am hoping to to get a little nitrogen boost in the soil, keep the weeds down and build up some organic matter. Perique tobacco will be planted in the spring.
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Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:


Many many yeas ago there were very narrow grain drills that could be pulled by a single horse between the corn rows to get wheat in before harvesting the corn. Everything old is new again. I now see many around here that seed in tillage radishes with wheat. The radishes get killed in the spring when they spray with herbicide and fertilizer. The practice of continuous No-Till of today, has led to many problems that we never had years a go. The ground in this area will pack from nothing more than rain and when it's left to lay still for year after year it will get solid as a brick.





Curious where some folks get their facts?   Radishes do winter kill it takes temps in the high teens to do it but rare for them to over winter. I think you also need to study up on your no till facts before posting.
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  I agree on studying up on 'no till' facts.   maybe take a soil test probe and see how easy it goes into the no-till ground compared to the plow panned tilled ground!
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Have either of you two farmed this east Red Clay in the last 40 some years? I'll bet not. What works for you can't be done here. I'd love to have the rich mellow soil that's out west. This clay can not take the continuous No-Till that you fellows can get away with. As I mentioned if it's not treated properly it will turn brick hard. In the field next to me you can still see the trails in the wheat from the big manure spreader last fall. The fellow tending that rental ground is more interested in acreage than being a good steward of the land and really doesn't deserve to have the title "Farmer". He always hogs through the grass waterways and waits for a big rain before he does anything on the rented ground. The owners of the land are absente landlords and only care that the check doesn't bounce. There is a Brick factory less than 2 miles from me that gets it's raw material from right there at the plant. Also We don't always have such a harsh winter to completely kill those tillage radishes. By early spring there's usually about 10% -20% survival that is easily killed with the normal herbicides for wheat. 
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  I've been on this dryland farm since 1961.  It has crete loam soil which reminds people of how limestone is formed.   I'd love some good red clay soil!

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  Might wanna get something with a root system growing that allows u to build organic matter, instead of destroying your soil structure!
 
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I have the Piedmont Red Clay and can tell you its great for pasture land but it can get
as hard as the bricks General Shale makes from it if run over or worked when its the least bit
wet which is hard to avoid when doing things like feeding cattle in the Winter.Subsoiling pastures works good and breaks up the clay plus the hard pan underneath as there is very little topsoil in the first place.Not alot of crop farming close to me but a dairy farm about 10 miles from me no tills corn but will chisel plow every couple years anyway to loosen up the ground and they plant tillage radishes and probably 50% survive most Winters depending on the temperatures which can vary widely here.I plant turnips and Crimson Clover on the small plots I work and the turnips will survive most Winters and the Crimson Clover always survives.I chisel plow every year before planting anything to increase workability and to increase water retention.I've worked on building up the organic matter in the plots I plant in every year but I can't see how I'd ever be able to build up organic matter in land not tilled up as the clay would just keep getting tighter and tighter if no tilled and never chisel plowed or subsoiled,the radishes wouldn't make a dent.
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I just want to say no one is right or wrong. Every location is different and can easily very ten miles from you. If everyone was the same life would be pretty fu$@;/& boring. My two cents. Share information not argue.
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X2 what Chris says....I tried no til here on my farm for several years (can't test it with just 1-2 years) but I also did conventional tillage, this was done in the same field, side by side. and the no til side kept losing yields compared to the conventional side. same fertilizers and chemicals and seed. I finally deep ripped the entire farm and grew the best crops that had ever been here! then stayed with conventional tillage. it just worked better for me. the new renters farming it now, no tilled, and put everything in corn, they planted it irrigated population, but this is dryland. there wasn't any ears longer than about 5 inches. most less than that. some ears were cob only, no kernels. we have been out picking up the small ears on the ground, as when ever they came to a corner, they just turned and kept going. when they harvested they couldn't combine the sharp curves and just run the stalks down and kept going! lots of nubbin ears laying out there. we'll feed them to the goats! we've picked up a pickup load already just on the corners of the fields! lol
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac hunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 7:04am
     Back in the 50's and 60's, here in central Ohio, dad sowed rye on the soy bean stubble and corn stubble ground right after harvest with a small broadcast seeder. Plowing was delayed in the spring sometimes as much as possible to let it get a good growth. Added a lot of organic matter to the soil and after a few years of that treatment the soil was like a sponge to walk on. Lots of worms too. the renter does no till / min. till and raises big yields but the ground sure isn't like it was back then.
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No till doesn't work everywhere...I farm alot of gravel river bottoms that got harder than hammered hell after 5 years of no tilling...weeds got resistant, yields kept dropping. We went back to chiseling and even moldboarding and the weed pressure went down and the yields went back up...some guys have toyed with cover crops around here and found that the rye grass was really rooting down good...so good it plugged up their field tiles...we had a warm winter and a very wet spring this year so killing the cover crops off with chemicals was a real nightmare for some guys this year..I'll keep doing what works for us
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