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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 7:41pm |
Please move this if it is in the wrong spot, I couldn't find an intro section. I'm a Marine stationed in 29 Palms Ca, and about 3 years away from retirement, then it is off to a 20-40 acre organic/ non-gmo farm in Alabama (if everything works out). I grew up on a corn, edible dry bean, and sugar beet farm in Bridgeport Nebraska and we were an Allis family with a 190xt loader, 7030, (2) 7040s, and two different 7080s. While growing up I also ran a 7580, 180 gasser, D19 gas, JD 60, JD 70, Case 1570 and a JD 4630. The end of my junior year we quit farming and I worked for a friends dad that summer. They used Internationals, so I learned to not like the 766, 966, 1086, and a 3388. My plan is buy a good tractor for my potential farm size, then implements as I see fit. Hopefully they will all be Allis products and I look forward to getting back into Allis tractors (and Gleaners) and learning from all of you.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 7:47pm |
Hello fellow Nebraska native!! THANK YOU for your service, and welcome to the forum.
Allis will be your best bet, and frankly the 70xx series will be your best money for the horse power. The maroon belly to be specific. You will need to make sure you know what you are buying, because they can be beaten and abused, which will only lead to more money, but you can find them in good shape and still not spend a fortune. Now if you need smaller HP say right at or just under a hundred, the 190xt is hard to beat, and can be found reasonable, but like every other tractor they can be abused as well, and they aren't heavy tillage tractors generally, but then again it will handle smaller tillage equipment for the acres you are talking.
Edited by Orange Blood - 08 Oct 2016 at 7:48pm
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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 7:51pm |
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Welcome...you have questions? this is the place to look...for answers. Not always instant but always honest and good... with some good ol time humor thrown in once in a while.
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Dan73
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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 9:46pm |
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Welcome to the forum. I would think for 20 to 40 acres you would be looking about 60 hp. I have a d17 gas that has been here on the farm since the 60s and it is a great tractor for haying and working in small fields but it really drinks the fuel. I have 100 acres in NH and it is all smaller hilly fields so a 100hp tractor is big here. I bale small square hay bales with an accumulator my d17 is a good match the grapple is too heavy really for my d15 loader tractor it does it but is too much weight on the front end.
Anyway if my d17 hadn't been in the family for 3 generations now I would trade it for a diesel. I think a 175 or 185 would be a great tractor for small farms wanting to run modern equipment. You get a 3 point hitch live power and enough hp to run most anything you would want on a small farm all in diesel for better efficiency. I was just wondering if you could find one in ruff shape and turn it into a project for the next few years until you retire. It would be fun because you would be working on a tractor you like and it would be a nice stress break to come home and work on your post retirement plan.
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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 10:28pm |
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Welcome to the forum and thank you for your service to our country. I'm fairly new myself but I can say you'll be hard pressed to find a more inviting, knowledgeable, and humorous group of people. Listen to what they say, cause they know their stuff. a few of them may be full of it sometimes but it's all in good fun. Good luck with your future plans.
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eodcoduto
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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 10:46pm |
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Thanks for all of the advice. The tractor market in the high desert of California is fairly non-existent, so I will probably have to wait until we move. The good thing about the organic farming movement is that the equipment from the 1930s-1970s is a perfect fit. I'd love to have a D21 or XT, but prices are up on those. The 7000, 7010, and 7020s are still cheap and will do everything I plan on using one for. Then again a D19 with a 5.9 Cummins in it would be about as American as you can get!
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Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 11:25pm |
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Welcome and thanks for your service! You don't want to go too big for 20-40 acres, if you can find a newer tractor in the 60-100 hp range would be the best. A D17 may be ok but unless you get a 3 pt adapter you will be relegated to snap coupler implements which are hard to find parts for and you can't buy a new, modern one. A 180 or 185 would be a nice tractor, or a 6080 with a cab.
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shameless (ne)
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 1:04am |
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welcome to the forum Gage! and thank you for protecting my fat butt! moving to AL, away from God's country of NE? whew! you should be able to find a lot of AC equipment down south that needs a good home! I just retired from farming and have a lot of good AC equipment that i'll prolly sell in the next few years. I know...that if I kick off, I've told the old lady.....ooooops.....I mean the loving wife to offer the sale of all my AC equipment to the fine AC folks on this forum first! good luck with your organic farming and the best way of life that's out there! oh...and watch out for a few of the members on here....Thad, Dan73, Les, Joe, Ted, Cody, a couple of Darrell's, and a few more....they can be chit stirrers! lol (but it's all in fun)
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 3:56am |
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Watch out for that Shameless he has one sharp stick he keeps poking around with. Also unless you have an armored suit on stay out of that muck hole on the bottom of the site called a political section that place is all gloves off bashing. Not the in good fun family friendly barbs you see on the rest of the board.
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Bob D. (La)
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 4:54am |
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Welcome to the forum and Thanks for your service. Having grown up on a smaller dairy farm I Indiana in the 50's/early 60's. my take on tractors is quite different. I would thin a good choice would be a series 4 D17 diesel. Some were produced with three point and a snap couple can be easily converted. Personally, I prefer gas but most everyone on the forum will recommend diesel due to less fuel usage. For 20 to 40 acres, I would think a 190XT at 90 HP would be overkill, but still doable. A more modern would be a 175 or 180 which would provide more modern features, especially in the hydraulics department. Again, welcome and just start searching now which gives you plenty of time to research the background and even learn a bit about parts availability. While the D19 might be a good choice, check into parts availability, especially for the engine. I seem to read on here that they are getting hard to get.
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Dan73
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 5:00am |
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Bob I think the d17 diesel has the same parts problems as the d19 diesel. That was part of why I recommend the 175 or 185. I do agree that the d17 gas is a great tractor but when pennies matter on a small farm that gas bill adds up fast.
Edited by Dan73 - 09 Oct 2016 at 5:01am
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 5:48am |
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Yes, welcome sir and as said above, thanks for your service, Alabama will be quite the change, but we'll gladly welcome you South!
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 6:55am |
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Thanks for serving our country!!! My vote is the 6000 series. More spendy than the D series but 100 times more refined. The D 17 is way over rated on this site in my opinion. I grew up around a D 17 it was enough to make want to go red until the 7000 came into the picture been almost all orange since.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 7:00am |
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Welcome Gage, and THANK YOU for your service. Definitely go with a tractor with a 3 point hitch and preferably a loader also. I would think one in the 175/185 size range would be a good fit.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 9:53am |
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Thanks for your service. Can you tell us more about what you plan to grow and who will you sell to. Will this be full time, or will you have a day job? Some small farmers use small tractors, and if they also have a day job, they realize that 8n can't get the job done in the time they have off. Do you have helpers? Do you actually expect to make a living from this, or is it a way to keep you busy, a little fun, some misery. Maybe break even.
The 170/175 diesels seem about right to me. If you are going to grow a wide variety of vegetables, I bet you will need a precision cultivating tractor also. Maybe a spray rig.
When it gets dry you will have to irrigate, that's fun moving pipe (your time) and burning diesel.
Look on Craigslist to see what sort of tractors are listed for sale in that area. Most likely a little of everything, including Allis-Chalmers.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 10:32am |
 eodcoduto wrote:
Thanks for all of the advice. The tractor market in the high desert of California is fairly non-existent, so I will probably have to wait until we move. The good thing about the organic farming movement is that the equipment from the 1930s-1970s is a perfect fit. I'd love to have a D21 or XT, but prices are up on those. The 7000, 7010, and 7020s are still cheap and will do everything I plan on using one for. Then again a D19 with a 5.9 Cummins in it would be about as American as you can get! |
Around may parts most any tractor in the 100 - 200 PH range goes for 1/2 - 2/3's what one inthe 50 - 100 HP range does just due to the present day odd fit in application. More than 100 HP is seen as too big for the hobby guy and less than 200 is seen as way too small for the big farmers.
My family has been picking up fair to good condition tractors in that size range for the last 5 - 6 years now for under $3500. So far we have gotten a MF 2745, an AC 8030 with loader and a AC 7050 and are watching the local consignment auctions for more.
Size wise they're way overkill for the hay and general land upkeep work we do but it's hard to pass them up for the price. Especially so when you consider the added extras they come with like quiet climate controlled cabs! 
Down side is when working on them yourself the bigger size makes anything but basic work considerably more difficult and pricier but when a guy can go get another tractor for under $3500 who cares. Up side is being old machines a guy doesn't have to concern himself with what modifications he does to keep a machine running either. Put fluids in as needed and go until they are not worth the cost or hassle to repair then junk em'.  If any of ours ends up needing a major fix that cost more than half their purchase price they will just go the the scrap yard for whatever the price of iron is and get chopped up. 
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 10:37am |
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Wish those 100 hp tractors where here at that price. Here they are 6000 needing something major that will cause you to split the tractor and 10000 if you can just drive it today regardless of how old it is unless it is something like a Same then they want 4500 for something you can't get parts for and I know will break because I grew up with one of them it was the only big tractor we worked on every year. Guess it all depends on your local market. Here they just sit on those big tractors hoping for more money.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 11:44am |
BrianC wrote:
Thanks for your service. Can you tell us more about what you plan to grow and who will you sell to. Will this be full time, or will you have a day job? Some small farmers use small tractors, and if they also have a day job, they realize that 8n can't get the job done in the time they have off. Do you have helpers? Do you actually expect to make a living from this, or is it a way to keep you busy, a little fun, some misery. Maybe break even.
The 170/175 diesels seem about right to me. If you are going to grow a wide variety of vegetables, I bet you will need a precision cultivating tractor also. Maybe a spray rig.
When it gets dry you will have to irrigate, that's fun moving pipe (your time) and burning diesel.
Look on Craigslist to see what sort of tractors are listed for sale in that area. Most likely a little of everything, including Allis-Chalmers.
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My goal at first is to make a BLT, with everything sourced from my land. The pig, lettuce, tomato and wheat for the bread. After that I want to produce enough food for my family and sell the rest at a farmers market or start a CSA. This all depends on the market and how far from work I will have to live. I plan on staying somewhat in my profession once I retire, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, but within 10 years I want to be only working on my land. For now I am just soaking up information and keeping an eye out for equipment that might be worth buying and keeping at a relatives place until we are settled.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 2:55pm |
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At first the recommendations of a D17, had me puzzled, given the possible total size of 40 acres. I have cultivated 4 rows at a time on many a D17, and while they are up for the job, it sure takes a long time to get across the acres. Given however, that you are talking a few different crops, the D17 might be the way to go, or better yet, a decent D19 can be had for similar money, and pull at least two more rows. You can with some looking still find good Allis equipment for them, all of which won't cost an arm an a leg. Implement parts will be more of a problem, but still doable. A good D19 should cost less than a good say 7030.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 3:07pm |
eodcoduto wrote:
My goal at first is to make a BLT, with everything sourced from my land. The pig, lettuce, tomato and wheat for the bread. After that I want to produce enough food for my family and sell the rest at a farmers market or start a CSA. |
That's what I want to do! Get a fleet of G's and go at it!
Somebody here a while back posted a photo of cultivating cantaloupe with a G. Can't remember how they did it, but it was neat.
Edited by CrestonM - 09 Oct 2016 at 3:08pm
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 3:11pm |
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I thought those g's looked the coolest till someone told me he sold his because If the ground gets dry you are sitting in a dust cloud. He got a b and said it was way nicer to be higher where the air was clear.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 3:45pm |
I think that's mostly with the experimental belly mount hay rake!
Mine doesn't make too much dust. If it does, just drive faster and outrun the dust cloud! Lol
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 5:58pm |
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that's how Creston outruns his girls too!
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 6:02pm |
LMAO biting my toung new guy thread on a kid friendly site.... 
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 8:36pm |
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there is nothing wrong with having big equipment on a small farm. most of the time, you can get big stuff cheaper than the small stuff. depending on what you are doing on your farm, maybe you do need small equipment. but the big stuff can save you money, can save you time, and save you fuel doing spring and fall tillage work. if you can buy a 2 row machine for $5000, and a 6 row machine for $2500...you know which one i'd be buying! the parts are the same price. they are all expensive. a lot of people think they have to match the size of equipment with the size of the farm. that's not true anymore, as most of the small stuff has been junked thru the years in favor of larger. both by the farmer and by the manufacturers and dealers. there are still deals out there, just hafta find them!
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 8:41pm |
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Shameless that is true if your fields are big enough and flat enough for big equipment. More then once I have seen a 100hp tractor stuck in a corner at the end of our field because they couldn't turn in there with the chopper and dump wagon. But if the big stuff fits yes it is faster.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 8:48pm |
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my 200+ HP tractor and 26 ft disk had no problems in several 1 acre fields I have that's surrounded by trees and creek. just plant certain crops and don"t drive into a problem spot!
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 9:01pm |
shameless (ne) wrote:
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Not if you're in Oklahoma looking for a cheap Ferd 860/861/880/4000!! I haven't found a nice looking one for under $5000. Phfff!
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 9:05pm |
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Creston same here the big stuff brings alot more here. I have been looking for a decent 60 to 150 hp diesel but here the 100 plus seem to bring good money or they just don't sell. I wish I had the auctions people talk about out west I would own some nice stuff if we did.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 9:30pm |
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From my endless Googling, it seems that the 7040s are the most reasonably priced. We had two, one with an intercooler and it pulled just fine in the field. But I think the D17-220 size tractors will work better for what I want. Or I can get an L2 combine and mount the implements on the front and be able to see what I am cultivating!
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