Ford 4410

I know it is a ford. But I need a good diesel tractor to hay with about 60 hp as they are soo much easier on fuel. There is one reasonably close to me that the price seems ok if a little high and ford parts are easy to get for a reasonable peice. I was interested in it because it has the 12 speed manual transmission which gives you alot of choices for field ground speed. I was wondering if anyone had used one and what their experience was with it. I also saw in the add that it has live hydraulic power but it doesn't say about the pto so I was wondering with that transmission if it has live pto or not. It is about 4 hours away from me so I am reluctant to just call and go look. Anyway just wondering if anyone has used one to bale small square bales.

It is a 4410 was marketed by ford as a woods or logging tractor because it has so many low gears. I think it was early 70s not sure. A friend of mine who is a ford guy claimed that the the diesel engine is very efficient. I just don't know much about them.

Thanks but I was hoping to find a reason to look beyond the fact that it is blue...

I would like a 180 or 185 but there aren't many around here and those aren't for sale. The fact that ford is part of CNH is one of the reasons I was interested in it I know I can get those parts.

I was wondering how the pto and transmission actually work. Meaning can I change gears or from high to low without stopping the pto. That is what makes field work great with the d17 I can just switch from high to low while still running the pto. I missed that with the ih 574 I have been using this summer.

I think I got it confused with something else it is a 8 speed transmission. Has two shifters looks to me to be a 4 speed with reverse with a high low shifter right beside it. Two stage clutch that is what I was wondering about those are tricky with a baler bouncing the tractor around. Might just hold off and see if a 180 I have my eyes on comes up for sale in a couple of years. The current owner of the 180 told me he only wants to hay a couple more summers.

It is probably the 3 cyl. gas or diesel.  They are a good, efficient engine.  I have a 3 cyl 4000, the 4110 would just be a newer tractor.  Mine has  independent PTO and I am surprised the newer tractor wouldn't have it too.  Have you looked on Tractor Data?.   Two stage clutch works OK, you will have to come to a stop to shift gears.  However the top half of the clutch is transmission and the bottom is transmission and PTO, so you can shift gears without stopping the PTO.  Lots of parts for the Ford!

Pushing the clutch too far down disengaged the PTO from the engine, Dan. Letting the clutch out too fast shouldn't shear a bolt either as the flywheel is ahead of the shear bolt on a baler. MF used this type of setup and I don't remember it as being problematic.

As re the 2-stage clutch.
Similar in function to Ford tractors (and many other brands), I had a 5040 with a mounted 6' mower and often would find it difficult to stop only the tractor.
Didn't cause any major problems with it just being a mower, but can imagine being a PITA with a baler.
Altho' I never carried it out, I thought about making an adjustable secondary "detent" that would make it harder to push the clutch in past the point where the ground drive was stopped, yet the PTO kept going.
The adjustable detent would not require that much more effort, but enough for sensing when that point was reached. 
May be something to consider if the Ford becomes the choice.


Edited by Gatz in NE - 12 Sep 2016 at 9:18am

Thanks guys for the time being I am going to pass on the Ford. The parts aspect sounded nice to me and the ground speeds looked good but I really don't want something that my uncle won't be confortable baling with. I can guess how that would work out it would become a backup to the d17 as my uncle likes the d17. Thanks again for all the input I am pretty sure in a couple if years I can pick up a 180 just up the road and then my budget will also allow for the higher cost of a nice 180.