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Keyway shaft chipped on d19 axle |
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826 |
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Took the stock hubs and tires off this weekend. ON the right side axle, there is about an 1/8" chip on the backside of the keyway most of the length of the shaft where the center was. I was taking off the stock wheel centers and was going to put M and W clamp on 9 bolt centers and some 18.4 x 38's on dished rims. So now instead of a keyway that is 6-7 inches long, I have two pieces on the clamp on hub that are 2" thick with a keyway built into them, but it doesn't go all the way down into the keyway shaft, it's up about a lite 1/8".
So, could I clean up the axle good, build the chipped out areas with weld and file it true and will it hold up, or am I gonna have to look for a better option. I will post some pictures of the bad spot after lunch.
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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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Bob wi ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 06 Jun 2010 Location: Cedarburg, Wi Points: 63 |
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so I take it that the bolt's worked that you picked up
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826 |
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Yep, they worked. Thanks Bob. On to the next problem!! LOL
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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826 |
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Here are some pictures.
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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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stray ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Tipton, Missour Points: 323 |
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I've never done a axle shaft before but I have welded up key ways even worse than that one and ground and filed back to shape. It's not fun, but I would try it if it was mine.
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826 |
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Well, that's what I did today to get it done and the wheels back on. No, it wasn't fun, but I hope that it holds up. Just wondering if anyone else has repaired them this way in the past with good results. I won't be doing anything more then moving it in and out of the shop for the next couple months fixing other minor things, so it won't get any kind of workout for awhile. I guess if I need to find another shaft, I have time before spring to do that. |
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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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stray ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Tipton, Missour Points: 323 |
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I would say you will be fine, if you are as confident in you weld as you seem
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8612 |
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keep it tight and probably never bother.I'd say it had ran loose sometime on the original hub to break it off like that
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34306 |
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I don't know, But a fellow welded a bead around the axel on his tractor that was larger shaft then this one and it snapped off right at the weld... Being you only welded one side, Might not be an issue. What rod did you use, 7018, 8018?
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stray ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Tipton, Missour Points: 323 |
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The differance is he welded all the way around makes the axle brittle at that point.
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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If you could get the axle to a milling machine a better alternative would have been to have cut a new keyway between 90 and 180 degrees from the old one and abandon the old keyway.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41979 |
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Ah yes the welded up axle : On the HD4 I had I busted 3 axles right at the flange the sprocket end, Then when i got the last one the guy i had bought them from mentioned he had a guy weld them up and turn them so the seal area was good. So got a used one from him with so so / bought a speedy sleeve to fit and no problems.
Welding created brittle area as the axle was not heat treated after the repairs. On this one if you did small area at a time to not heat a large area might be OK , Think I would have left it or made a key that was oversize , looks like most of area as far as depth was OK .
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Carl(NWWI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: NW WI Points: 954 |
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Welding on axles is a terrible idea! Many axles break that way. My uncle welded on one on a 1486. Snapped off while disking, broke right at the weld.
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Lars(wisc) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Location: S. Wisc. Points: 520 |
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Years ago I worked for a neighbor who had a Case 1030 CK diesel that had an axle that developed that type of chip, went to town and got the square key long enough to fit into the total lengh of the axle, reclamped the hub and never had a problem pulling 5-16's or a gang disk or chisel plow
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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It is a terrible idea if you don't know how to go about it. Shop I worked in has welded crankshafts for big presses and all kinds of different parts made from different materials. If the part in question has been heat treated it should be pre-heated, kept at a working temp, then post heated. I doubt Chucks axle had enough heat to it to bother it. |
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ac45 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Points: 395 |
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The long piece of key stock would probabbly have been the quickest easist way to fix. you will probably be ok unless you ar going to dual it up and go pull a 5 bottom plow, or work it hard
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Rawleigh ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: White Stone, VA Points: 421 |
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Chuck: Use a piece of copper flashing to make a dam along the keyway to keep the weld out of the groove. Use a piece of steel behind it to wedge it in place. A piece of square carbon rod will also work good. A piece of bronze keystock would be ideal too. What size is the groove?
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Carl(NWWI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: NW WI Points: 954 |
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Yeah, but how many do it yourselfers are actually going to do all the heating processes. And if he actually welded on it that much I bet its brittle. Good chance of breaking too. All my uncle did was tack weld it. 3 1/2" axle. And it broke. Hear of it happening all the time. |
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826 |
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Well, this is what I did. I didn't have a big piece of copper, so I flattened a piece of copper pipe in the vise and then put that in the keyway on the one side with the chip. I then put a small piece of round stock behind it to wedge it in place. I used my stick welder and put one pass down where the chipped out area was. I cleaned the weld up and made one other small pass where it wasn't high enough. Took the round stock and the copper out and grabbed a file and went to work on it. It was warm where I welded it, but not really hot. I used a 7018 rod. I talked to my brother and he didn't think it would be an issue, so thats why I did it before I put it back together. |
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1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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Nathan (SD) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Day County SD Points: 1278 |
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You aint out nothing but some time and energy if it don't hold up.
It bothers me to see people throw away repairable parts cuz they heard from a bunch of internet pros that it couldn't be fixed.
Thanks for posting. Gives the rest of us that like to try, someone to look up to.
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Rawleigh ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: White Stone, VA Points: 421 |
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Good job Chuck!!
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