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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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There has GOT to be a better way or trick to attaching special links together!
Working on it tonight and was able just to get a few on before I was exasperated. The special link has a paddle and wailing on the chain causes me to smack them and bend them.... Its like I need three hands. Or maybe the fact that I dont spend day in and out with a hammer makes me ill-suited. But I dont have all winter to get there.
Any ideas?
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dave63 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Location: Lineboro Md Points: 2382 |
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Do you have a flat chain tool? If i can i try to clamp the tool in a vice and put the plain links in it then drive the attachment links into the plain links.
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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Yeah I got the tool...no vice....or a bench to put it on, at least not in my suburban corporate HQ......
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dave63 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Location: Lineboro Md Points: 2382 |
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I feel your pain.
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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And Ive felt enough..I think I am going to outsource this to my welding guy who has a vice..If I didnt have to do 6 whole chain assemblies I would suffer thru it...
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dave63 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Location: Lineboro Md Points: 2382 |
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I have a couple young guys that work for me. When i have a job like that i deligate it.
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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Best workbench I got is the tailgate on my truck, got a pickup?
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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Yep! Im going that route I think...
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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Yep but not sure I want to drill holes to mount a vice...my welder has a shop on wheel and a vice...I think he is going to be busy...
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skipwelte ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Location: Anthon, Iowa Points: 723 |
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Yea, even with the tool it can be a frustrating and hurtfull job. New chain is way worse than used chain, maybe take a cutoff tool and taper the link slightly so it will start easier. Good luck Tom!!!
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Jim Lindemood ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Dry Ridge, KY Points: 2569 |
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Gee Tom -- "outsourcing work" - you are going real corporate -- LOL. Those chains can really try a person. Have not found an easy way, but if you find one -please share with us.
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TedBuiskerN.IL. ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Davis, IL. Points: 1959 |
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Never had a problem with split link chain, BFH and that chain tool for that type of chain, everything should pop right together. Try working on them on an old corn picker with no bench or solid place to stike against, then things get tricky.
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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Have your welder guy make you a receiver vise that will go into the hitch on your truck. You can have it made to the perfect working height for you.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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I used to assemble detachable chain for a living, before I started running the press that makes it.
If you want it to assemble easier, you can drive a small chisel into the opening in the barrel end spreading the gap. It helps to have a curved surface to set the barrel in. Keep in mind if you have side by side chains with flighting in between, you need to maintain even links. We used to measure the 10 foot coils before assembling the attachments and pair them up by length. It took about 2 seconds to insert an attachment in place of a straight link using the die and press set up for it. The tailgate of a truck isn't solid enough to use as a bench for linking chain. A vise mounted on a receiver would be better, but a big anvil would be best. The WD45 drawbar has worked for fixing broken chain on my picker before but I was into any kind of production process at the time either. Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 23 Sep 2011 at 9:30am |
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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And now you know why I would charge $25K for a rebuilt harvester!
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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Dont ever become my neighbor....
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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I wouldnt want no itty bitty vice...wouldn that be heavy?
But wait, I just invented something--or not....A vice on a stand that you can roll around--(with locking wheels of course)
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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So you ran a press for it? wouldnt that be nice to have....your idea may work but afraid of weaking the new link by spreading it like that? Then you would have to pull it out eventually as you drive the link in....and your back to the problem again. Getting the link started is not as bad for me as getting it all the way thru.
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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I bet a machinist could figure out a die to allow one to use a ship press.
I did use the shop press with some sucess. Sometimes I got it, other times it would do nothing but slip due to the irregular features of the attachment.
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5059 |
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I would like to have Ted as a neighbor. Dusty
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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Oh shoot I didnt mean it that way...I am saying I would somehow get him doing my link work like Tom Sawyer and the fence whitewashing job and he may not like that!LOL!
Edited by TomYaz - 23 Sep 2011 at 10:09am |
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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It won't weaken the link. The die in the press would sometimes open the gap making one chain longer than the other. We used to have a curved anvil on the bench while stretch testing the chain. We would close the gap up a little on each link to match lengths for pairs going to an apron.
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KY ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Kentucky Points: 371 |
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I like when it gets worn out and you can slip it a part by hand! lol
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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So what your saying is you open up the barrell with a puch of sorts, pull it out, slip the other link in, and press the barrell back in place? Sounds good if I got it right... but need to figure out how to hold the attachment or plain link in place so I can press the punch in....cant put a vice on the shop press deck...
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Rawleigh ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: White Stone, VA Points: 421 |
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Tom: How about a small arbor press??
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_35091_35091 Edited by Rawleigh - 23 Sep 2011 at 11:28am |
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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10340 |
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I have a 20 ton shop press...the problem with the shop press you need to have the one piece held in place...hard to do as there is no vice. A shop press can take care of the badly aimed hammer blows but thats only one part of the problem.
I talked to a guy who made some grain drags for me. He said to make sure the angle of the link is correct (45 d)...I have been off on that so that might be why it is so hard
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 34185 |
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i have only used ten pound sledge as a backstop with a four pounder to drive the link together, tried to use a vise but it slipped around too much in the jaws.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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No, not a punch. You take a small chisel and set it right in the gap cross ways of the link. Tap on the chisel a few times, it might work with a big screw driver. What you want to do is make the gap a little wider by spreading the curved part of the barrel back a little. Adding attachments that are 2 sided is a little trickier than adding a single sided attachment. If that is what your working with, you need something with a hole in it, so you can set the barrel and pin on something solid, then drive the regular link in place. Maybe you need a testosterone injection with all them females around. LOL Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 23 Sep 2011 at 4:51pm |
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wkpoor ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Location: Amanda, OH Points: 825 |
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I did my first one this past summer. Just opened it up with a coal chisel and closed it with big pair of vise grips. I do have a 3pt "A" frame with 2" reciever for my tractor that I put a vise in that has a special 2" sqaure tubing mount.
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Brian S(NY) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: CherryValley,NY Points: 3380 |
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I agree with everyone else about the "BFH". But you can also use a BF C-clamp if you are afraid of bashing your fingers. Works sorta like a press once you have everything lined up.
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