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Planting with 8030 and White 6180
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    Posted: 04 Jun 2011 at 11:50pm
Some pics from today finishing up last 130 acres of corn and only got stuck 2x. 
 
I have a couple of questions about the tractor.
 
 How much weight should we have up front to keep the wheels in good ground contact. The planter is very heavy and seems like when you start to sink in with the planter and raise it up that the front gets light and the fwa doesn't do alot of good.
 
Next question is about reverse. When you let the clutch out in reverse only there is a lag b4 it starts to move like it is slipping. What would cause that? It is a power shift.
 
Thanks, Dean 
 
 
 


Edited by Dean/MN - 05 Jun 2011 at 7:48pm
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When the front gets light due to lifting the planter, do the rear wheels start slipping?  If not, more weight on the front won't do anything, but make more work for the engine to move the tractor itself.

What part of Minnesota are you in.  Here in the SE it's dry in a lot of spots unless a local thunderstorm hit in the last 5 days.


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Mark, when the rear start digging in when about to get stuck yes the rears are spinning. Seems like if we had more weight up front it might help. That planter is the one I bought down by you in Dec.

South of Howard Lake
You can still see the mud between the duals in the first pic after we just pulled it out with the 8070.


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A few more photos from yesterday in the mud.
 
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This 8070 is for sale now being replaced by the FWA 8030 for planting.
 
 
 


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More front weight could then be a help. 

When the rear wheels start digging in, aren't the front wheels throwing some dirt also.  If not, I wonder if the clutch to the FWA is slipping.
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I would wonder about the FWA clutch also if at least one front isn't spinning when the rears are as well.  How does that 130HP tractor handle that 16 row planter? :-)  Also since it is drawbar pull, I don't see how you are getting that much weight transfer when raised vs. lowered.
 
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In that muck there is nothing you can do.  Your tires loaded up with mud and no amount of weight will help.  Raising up the planter will not help either as it is just dead weight.  Had you unhooked the planter the tractor would likely pull itself out.
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Both times I pulled it out the tractor was just about out of the mud but the planter wasn't. The 8030 has enough power but it does make it work hard on the hills. On Monday and Tuesday when it was around 100 F out it was running between 205 and 210. The planter is 3pt pull not drawbar so it does transfer a lot of weight to the rearend.
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Originally posted by Dean/MN Dean/MN wrote:

Both times I pulled it out the tractor was just about out of the mud but the planter wasn't. The 8030 has enough power but it does make it work hard on the hills. On Monday and Tuesday when it was around 100 F out it was running between 205 and 210. The planter is 3pt pull not drawbar so it does transfer a lot of weight to the rearend.
OK I looked again, technically it's a 3pt mount, but in that configuration I don't see it adding much weigth at all, the lift wheels on the planter carry (my guess) 85% of the weight, depending on how full the seed hoppers are, and when you have it in the ground, I bet your hitch weight is very minimal.  However, I don't have that, or ever used that configuration, you are the one using it, I trust your judgement.
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I have a Deere 16 - 30 forward fold that I pull with an 8050 FWA, prior to this year I pulled it with my 7060. Once my planter is unfolded the tounge weight isn't that much more than a convetional pull type. I know this spring was pretty wet and I planted in conditions I wouldn't have normally. On the other hand I've planted "around" wet holes and have pulled part of the planter thru standing water with the 7060. My neighbor has a similar planter to yours the he pulls with a two wheel drive 4555 Deere.  

That said it looks like your 8030 has a rock box on the front, does it have the factory weights too? If not I'd rob the weights off the 8070. I assumed I wouldn't have to switch on the FWA while planting but I did in places and part of the reason I believe is the clamp on duals. They allow the tractor to float more than the axle mounts on the 7060 did and they slip in places the 7060 would walk through. Next project is to see if there is enough axle on the 8050 to mount the hubs for the 7060's duals. Of course the main reason is I was planting in too wet conditions trying to beat the next rain LOL!
 
My planter has notill coulters and residue managers and I think a 130 HP would be a little short of what I'd need to be happy.


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Don't you ever sell the 8070. Ever!
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We've got a 7050 also and now the 8070 just doesn't fit any more with the 8030 on the planter. For primary tillage we have a Versatile 875. Also the 8070 only has the big 1000 pto shaft and everything else has the combo 540/1000 which is much handier.

 No we don't have weights on the front of the 8030 but I've thought about taking them off the 8070 and mounting the rock box on in front of the weights also. The only other nice thing about the 8070 is that it has 42" rubber on hub duals instead of 38" on the 8030 on band duals.
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I think putting the front weights on would make the difference.
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