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Tillage depth- what is best?

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    Posted: 5 hours 9 minutes ago at 7:50am
Been around moldboard plows for awhile, but never understood Disc plows.

Thinking only about soil health and the organic matter toward the top of the soil. . . . Is using a disc plow better for soil health? Do they only cut shallow and just "flip" the soil over lightly?

It looks that way from videos but then again maybe they are like a moldboard plow and you can adjust the depth easy.

Just food for thought here, I don't own a disc plow. But thinking about tillage depth it seems like they might have an advantage? Or not...
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Plowing depth for me was whatever the tractor could pull without struggling all the time across the field.
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I have an Athens two disc plow that goes behind my B and it does a good job of rolling the soil over. Some soil it will handle in second gear but a lot of it is first gear and the front end barely touching the ground. Right now the B is waiting on brakes and an engine rebuild. Like DrAllis says…..whatever the tractor will reasonably pull. 
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You've asked a very loaded question. Lots to consider there, and you'll get many different opinions. When you say 'soil health', what particular aspects are you considering: Compaction? Maintaining moisture? Keeping organic mater content as high as possible? Reducing spray use for better microbe & micro-nutrient preservation? All important, and unfortunately every tillage method (or lack of) has advantages in one area and disadvantages in another. I don't pretend to be an expert, but here are just a few points to consider:

- Greater depth is better for breaking up compaction, which can have significant results on yield (especially with modern equipment being so large/heavy. It wasn't so much of a concern back in our Grandfathers' time). A deeper tillage pass every now and again also helps bring some of the deeper nutrients and OM from deeper root systems to the surface.

- Moldboard plowing can create a hard pan along the bottom of the share that's bad for compaction in heavier soils.

- Deeper moldboard plowing is the best mechanical weed control you can get. If it allows you to avoid a spray pass, the benefits to soil health are huge. I don't want to sound like a tree-hugging hippy (I'm quite the opposite), but the years from about 1960 to 2000 saw some of the worst practices for soil health and sustainability. Only in recent years are folks are finally realizing there's more to yields and soil sustainability than just your basic NPK credits and organic matter content. Microbe action is huge for soil health and yield, as well as for converting and preserving micronutrients. And pretty much every common pesticide/herbicide out there harms your microbes. Because the last few decades have seen so much ravaging of the soil, these days you hear more and more about different nutrient deficiencies than you did, say, 30 years ago. 

- A disc plow like you're thinking of (or a more modern offset disc) typically won't get quite as deep as a moldboard plow, nor bury the trash quite as effectively. But does do reasonable jobs of both. And often results in a smoother surface. So not as good for weed suppression and may result in more herbicide use being necessary. But it may allow fewer additional tillage operations being necessary, and thus can be beneficial for some other aspects, because of:

-- Every tillage pass does some damage to the organic matter content, and is the equivalent of removing 1/2" to 1" of rain. Obviously you want to keep organic matter content as high as possible. But if you need to dry out your fields, some extra tillage passes can help. But if you have dry growing seasons (especially dry early growing seasons - which we seem to be seeing more and more of) the last thing you want to do is lose that residual moisture. I was a huge fan of my old Dearborn disc plow for this reason: A good happy medium between moldboard plowing and minimal till. It does a reasonable job of burying the trash and weed suppression for many conditions, but also leaves a much smoother field. Often a single pass with a harrow is all that's required after the disc plow. With a moldboard plow, it requires at least two or three additional operations afterwards, which don't do an favours to the OM content or moisture retention. Unfortunately my piddly little disc plow is far too small to use at any kind of a large scale. It's even too small for my pokey little antiquated operation.

- Disc rippers, chisel plows, and more modern one-pass tillage systems typically have deeper penetration and are much better than conventional methods for breaking up compaction. But often quite poor for weed suppression and burying trash.

It's a 'pick your poison' scenario. A good mix of methods is probably the best: And I certainly don't pretend to be an expert.
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I alwasy thought the purpose of disc plows were to be used in very rocky soil
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Don(MI), most every tillage tool has its moment. Kinda like an array of tools in any toolbox.
So in your comment you are more familiar with moldboard plowing? So perhaps that is because it helps your northern colder soils by allowing for quicker warm-up of soil temperatures during spring growing season? Perhaps it also reduces/fractures any upper soil surface compaction(granting your area’s deep winter freezes amend any plow pan compaction created from moldboarding?)? Perhaps it also reduces/controls weed competition versus applying herbicides that may be damaging soil health, etc…, then perhaps it’s a good tool? If what I’ve listed has merit, then your plow seems to be contributing to your soils health. Just observations. No judgements.
Maybe keep using it?

How / what can you do to further help your soil health ~ cover crops.
Easiest? After you fall plow, plant a winter cereal crop (rye,wheat,barley,triticale,etc). Any of these will exhibit root grow throughout the entire winter months, thus feeding soil microbes. Not to mention reducing erosion & capturing abundant soil nutrients & free Tstorm nitrogen from lightning precipitation events.
In the spring, terminate cover crop by choice methods that work for you then plant your regular season crops.
Sorry, I know nothing about disc plows. Point is, use what is familiar to you toward your goal.
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Chisel plow then disk works for me.
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