D17 Lift System

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   Hello everyone! I'm new to this forum, please let me know if I've posted in the wrong spot.
Recently bought a Series 1 D17 for loader work - really nice machine, I love it. It came with all of the parts for a 3pt conversion on a pallet, but beings that I got it for loader work I never messed with the rear lift arms/snap coupler/etc. Got bored & put the 3pt conversion together today & I cannot get the lift arms to raise or lower by moving the lever by the steering wheel. When the tractor is started, the arms lift up about 2" but never can get up or downward movement from there. The tractor has the transport valve on the rear & adjusting that valve knob doesn't do anything for my lift arms. I do appear to have some (maybe not enough?) pressure on the line running to the transport valve. When I back out the set screw on the top it will spray hydraulic fluid. It has new fluid in the pump reservoir. Is there anything I can try to get my rear lift working? It would be nice to have the 3pt capability, even if it is just a bonus in my eyes.

Thanks,

Nick

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nl_5728 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Oct 2021 Location: South Dakota Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote nl_5728 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D17 Lift System Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 5:27pm
	Hello everyone! I'm new to this forum, please let me know if I've posted in the wrong spot. Recently bought a Series 1 D17 for loader work - really nice machine, I love it. It came with all of the parts for a 3pt conversion on a pallet, but beings that I got it for loader work I never messed with the rear lift arms/snap coupler/etc. Got bored & put the 3pt conversion together today & I cannot get the lift arms to raise or lower by moving the lever by the steering wheel. When the tractor is started, the arms lift up about 2" but never can get up or downward movement from there. The tractor has the transport valve on the rear & adjusting that valve knob doesn't do anything for my lift arms. I do appear to have some (maybe not enough?) pressure on the line running to the transport valve. When I back out the set screw on the top it will spray hydraulic fluid. It has new fluid in the pump reservoir. Is there anything I can try to get my rear lift working? It would be nice to have the 3pt capability, even if it is just a bonus in my eyes. Thanks, Nick

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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21862	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 8:16pm
	If you have been raising AND lowering and using the loader with the Lift/Lower lever on the steering wheel without any issues, I don't understand why it won't raise the lift arms now. The Transport valve shouldn't leak regardless of where the screw is adjusted to and should have zero effect on using the loader. The sequence of operation is like this: loader and lift arms DOWN and engine running and foot clutch pedal released. Position the Lift/Lower lever UP to the top window. The lift arms should come up first and all the way to the top, THEN the loader will raise to whatever height you desire. The lift arms will always be fully UP whenever the loader is off the ground. There are many ways, and some of them strange, of people who have plumbed up their own idea of how D-17 hydraulics should be, which may change how yours works. The first thing I'd do is re-check your oil level because it sounds like it's very low on oil.

nl_5728 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Oct 2021 Location: South Dakota Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote nl_5728 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 9:19am
	I should have been more specific with the loader. It is powered by an external pto pump & reservoir. Are you suggesting that I should fill the tractor hydraulic reservoir up past "full" on the dipstick? I guess there's always the possibility that the dipstick isn't correct & I'm running way low on fluid?

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21862	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 3:49pm
	When one doesn't have complete information to diagnose with, you'll get a bad answer. If your hydraulic compartment on the tractor (under the fuel tank on the right hand side) is FULL, it sounds like you may have hydraulic pump troubles. Your loader has its own system and has nothing to do with the lift arms.

WF owner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5020	Post Options Post Reply Quote WF owner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 5:37am
	Is the three point hitch for the newer, lower pressure, higher flow hydraulics? If you are using a lift lever near the steering wheel, your D-17 is not a Series 4 and would have the old high pressure hydraulics.

Scott B Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2013 Location: Kansas City Points: 1048	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scott B Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 12:21pm
	I had to have the internal cylinders rebuilt on mine.
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nl_5728 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Oct 2021 Location: South Dakota Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote nl_5728 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Nov 2021 at 8:59am
	Sorry about the hydraulic system confusion. Does the reservoir need to be completely full or just up to the line on the dipstick? It seems like my issue has boiled down to the pump or a ram cylinder based on everyone's feedback. Thanks everyone!

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21862	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Nov 2021 at 12:06pm
	The line on the dipstick is there for a reason. Keep an eye on the transmission oil level. If the hydraulic oil disappears (when using the hydraulics) and the transmission oil gains, you have a leaking lift arm cylinder and hose inside the rear end. Edited by DrAllis - 05 Nov 2021 at 12:28pm

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5227	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Nov 2021 at 6:59pm
	WF, he states its a series I.
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