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littlemarv 
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Posted: 02 Oct 2021 at 9:20pm |
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I was discussing our redneck logging operation with someone at a tractor show today, and they suggested a reversed loader tractor. I've seen them, but never really considered owning one.
Think if equipped with forks, it would be effective at loading logs onto running gear? Would probably only have to lift 5' high to get them on the wagons.
Anyone have any experience with one? Are they rare? I've maybe seen one for sale once, but I guess I haven't been looking either.
I'm assuming they are all homemade? The guy I was talking to said he thought you can flip the differential in the housing on a WC to keep the gears the same?
Seems interesting, I'd like to learn more about them.
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Edited by littlemarv - 02 Oct 2021 at 9:21pm
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1963D17
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Posted: 02 Oct 2021 at 11:31pm |
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I have had a reversed WD45 for years. Whoever built did such a fantastic job it looks factory. They used an Allis 415 loader with the live hydraulic pump kit. It is handy. It lifts really more than it should. I had to add a fair amount of weight to the back. And you really cant dig with it. When you do that it lifts the drive wheels off the ground. I leave chains on it year around and boy will that thing push.
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Posted: 03 Oct 2021 at 6:13am |
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Marv, I built a reversed RC with a fork lift mast on it about 25 years ago, very handy. I flipped the ring and pinion over so machine has four gears in direction of forks. Live hyd off crankshaft pulley. Steering is hydrostatic with no mechanical linkage between steering wheel and axle. Lift is three stage and will go to 14 feet high. Machine will lift 3500 lbs.
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Darb210
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Posted: 03 Oct 2021 at 4:56pm |
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bought a re4versed wd loader this summer at a sale close to home, have not had running yet, has char lynn power steering, way over-engineered. would love to see it go to a good home...
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DiyDave
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Posted: 03 Oct 2021 at 5:54pm |
Allis made a reversed D-14, but I can't remember what was the model number, also the 500 and 600 fork lift tractors were basically a reversed D-15...
On edit, the number is RL-451, If I aint got memory, I always gots google... 
Edited by DiyDave - 03 Oct 2021 at 5:56pm
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littlemarv
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Posted: 03 Oct 2021 at 8:59pm |
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I see styled WC's around fairly cheap from time to time. That would be the simplist and cleanest to start such a modification. As far as reversing the gears, Can you really just flip the diff in the housing and that's it? Or is there more modifying to be done? Haven't looked at a styled WC in a while, do they have the cultivator lift like my unstyled 36?
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 03 Oct 2021 at 10:00pm |
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I used to have a WC that was reversed by a company in MN over by Willmar or Fergus Falls area. They put a serial number on it and everything. They made a pile of them.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2021 at 6:03am |
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Marv when you flip the ring and pinion you do have to grind a clearance notch into the housing to get the ring gear into it. Factory had a notch on one side for normal installation you just have to make one like it with a grinder, simple job. The biggest thing is cleaning all the old grease out as I remember that took the longest. I highly recommend power steering of some sort specially cuz to be effective you will want weights on that end. If you use a WC I suggest relocating the gas tank (diffrent tank) so your seat will go where tank is.
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littlemarv
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Posted: 04 Oct 2021 at 8:01am |
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I looked up a video or two on YouTube, that's exactly what they look like, seat where the tank was, and weights on the other end. You would think with the length of the frame and the engine and bolster hanging way out there you wouldn't need any extra weight, but apparently you must.
Can the loader just be flipped around, or do you have to modify the arms? I suppose that's just a "try it and see" how it fits depending on the loader.
Hope you guys are happy. I have no more room for another tractor, but you've got the gears turning now ( in reverse, of course). And I've got all winter to scheme on it....
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littlemarv
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Posted: 20 Oct 2021 at 9:48pm |
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Is reversing a WD just as easy as a WC?
Just flip the differential?
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Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 6:22am |
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DrAllis
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Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 8:11am |
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And so is a D-17, D-14-15.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 8:55pm |
 I have a D14 fork lift model TL 4212
serial #D14 17191
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Ted J
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Posted: 22 Oct 2021 at 11:41pm |
I have a silly but pertinent question........did you get finished with your last project??
We gotta get together one of these days....
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Les Kerf
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Posted: 23 Oct 2021 at 9:44am |
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Back in the late 1970's I saw the movie "Walking Tall", there was a sawmill scene in which there was a forklift that looked like a reversed Allis-Chalmers tractor. It caught my eye because I was familiar with some AC tractors; I assumed at the time it was home-made, but now I see it probably was not.
That is all I remember about it.
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