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 Topic: Black Shavings in hydraulic oil filter 190xt III
Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:05pm |
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Alright boys and girls, I have a late model 190xt III that has been having issues regarding the hydraulic system. The tractor came to a stand still the other day. No power steering or power director, so I removed the valve in the pump and cleaned it and reinstalled. Worked for a short time until i used the remotes and then promptly stopped again. Removed hydraulic filter to find black plastic filings plugging the filter. I'm guessing my pump is shelling out or am I missing something? Tractor operates perfect until you start using remotes or 3pt. Any ideas what should be my next step?
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:11pm |
you would think if it was the pump there would be some NOISE ? ..... all the cylinders work OK ? None settling down like a backup ring broke up and went thru system ? I would drain the oil and look closer... Maybe run thru a strainer and reinstall or change out and test again... with new filter.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:18pm |
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What does a failing pump sound like? High pitched squeal? At higher rpms my fan belt squeals or I assume it's the fan belt. I will check for noise tomorrow. After cleaning the valve my steering was the best it's been in years. Amazing what a little maintenance does.
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Joe(TX)
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:18pm |
If it is plastic fillings, It's probably not from the pump. Any pump wear parts would be brass or steel. It sounds like contamination from the sump or from a deteriorating suction hose. Pull the sump screen and take a look for contamination. It could from a deteriorating cylinder seal or from something connected to the remotes.
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1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A
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Posted: 17 Sep 2019 at 9:58pm |
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If I pull the sump pan will I have to buy a new seal or will rtv gasket work? I've never in the 25 years of owning that tractor have needed to open the screen up.
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AC720Man
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Posted: 18 Sep 2019 at 8:57pm |
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When you remove it ,clean the entire contact area of the sump and the sump itself. Any oil left here will prevent proper sealing. I left mine off for 2 days to make all oil had drained out. The first time I used some RTV on both sides of the gasket. After a week it began to leak. Checked the torque on each bolt and ended up tightening a few bolts that needed it. Not sure if the gasket compressed or what happened. Ordered a new gasket and used Indian head gasket sealer. Got much better results that time. Stayed leak proof for 2 years until recently. I despise leaks, so I’m not sure what I will try this time. The XT gets quite a bit of work and she is 51 years old. Shouldn’t complain too much I guess.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Joe(TX)
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Posted: 19 Sep 2019 at 1:52pm |
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There is a gasket for the sump as well as the seals for the suction and return tubes.
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1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A
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DrAllis
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Posted: 19 Sep 2019 at 3:16pm |
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You must have a hydraulic cylinder from an implement that has contaminated your filter and hydraulic system.
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