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A-Corange 
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 Topic: 175 for Baling Rounds???
Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 12:46pm |
Several years ago a local 175 gas popped up for sale with only 1400 hours on the tractor. Had a loader (Bushhog) and darn near everything was original. Heck the PTO still had orange paint on it LOL. Fast forward a few years and I am finally getting around to getting it set up to bail hay. Just got a square baler (case 430 all twine) and it runs it real nice. Next step is a rake (likely a kuhn v rake with a kicker wheel), but looking on down the road...
Looked around online at a bunch of different balers, such as the Heston 500 series, the re branded Cases, and Gehl, tossed the pros and cons of a chain vs belt, net wrap vs string, size of bale etc. Ideally I would like to do 4x5 rounds with net wrap, so I was looking at the New Holland 640 (640 and 644) series. Seem to be about the only ones that bale with net wrap and have hydraulic tensioners that's still in my price range (sub 7k).
What are your guys thoughts? Biggest question here is will the 175 run the New Holland. I've only got around 25 acres in hay the I role, and its all flatter than flat. Are there any other balers to consider/look into? Not all that interested in twine, would really like to go the net wrap route.
Might do a small amount of custom baling on the side to help pay the thing off a little sooner, and will mostly be doing alfalfa/alfalfa mix.
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Tbone95
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 12:55pm |
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Honestly, I think it's borderline, but you'll be OK as long as you stick to that flatter ground. Certainly wouldn't want a tractor any smaller than that, that's just me. I think you'll do OK though, just take it easy.
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DMiller
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 1:00pm |
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My 180 did NOT like a 6x5 round New Holland Baler. Takes all the HP it had to keep it moving, sucked it hard when went to discharge the bale. A 190 would be a better choice dependent on the size of the baler but a round baler takes some power to drive.
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 1:46pm |
I pull New Holland 851 round balers with a couple Oliver 1550 tractors one gas one diesel and they are 53HP about the same as the 175.The Olivers handle the balers fine and on some steep land.I have a Series IV D17 I'm putting a motor in so I'll be curious to see if it can handle the balers as good as the Olivers.Making a 5.5 X 5.5 bale BTW.
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Roger (NE)
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 5:01pm |
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Several years ago our 1755 Oliver had a breakdown while baling with the New Holland 851. Hooked the Series IV D17 up to finish the field. Think I had 2 or 3 bales left to do. Not good...worked the tractor more than I considered acceptable.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 5:36pm |
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Years ago we tried a gas series 4 17 w/1/8”sleeve kit on a Vermeer 504 SG. Worked, but ran the snot out of the tractor & used a ton of gas. I have a deisel 175 that I would only use in a pinch. Better fitted with a 185 or bigger in my opinion. We use the 200 most of the time, followed by the 185’s if needed.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 5:49pm |
I've been rolling rounds with a Hesston 5535, for years, pulling it with a D-10(III). Love the combo, no problems with power. It is a small bale (39"X 54" max dia) Its a twine wrapped bale. THat's the only complaint, but I can live with that. The hesstons are rebadged as IH, and NH, depending on the vintage, and which co bought out which. Only things I have wore out are the rubber p/u tires, and some teeth(ground hog hole damage), and the input shaft (prior owner damaged it) Good thing about these is that there are plenty of parts donors out there. The 5535 Hesston, is the same as the 535 Hesston, and the 8420 IH, IIRR. The NH number is an odd one, like 6XX1, has an odd # at the end...
Your tractor should have enough power to do a 4x4 or up to a 5c5 round bale, no problems...  |
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 6:06pm |
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I have had good luck with Vermeer. Have no experience with net wrap though. 5400 claims to only need 40 HP. I have baled with a neighbors tractor with somewhere around 50 HP. Making the biggest and heaviest bale the machine will allow. No problems. My tractor is 70 HP. Do not know its back there until the monitor reminds me. Well, thats not entirely true. Ran a vermeer 504F in the past. Still have the habit of watching the baler.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 6:49pm |
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A 55hp tractor should handle a 4x5 roller. I have a 457 JD and I pull it with a 4835 NH that has 56 pto hp and 65 engine. It has pulled it on any terrain, although it’s a diesel and the roller is twine. I haven’t ever used net rap. I wouldn’t think it would be any harder. We had a 330 JD before. It made a 4x4 roll. We once used a 40hp tractor to pull it.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 7:35pm |
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I love a good excuse to go shopping for a bigger tractor.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 7:47pm |
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Will sell you mine. The only piece of hay equipment I have left that requires power is the disc mower. Broke my last rear window a few weeks ago. The disc mower is going by by. Going back to a sickle. Would like to use a D-15, D-17 or a 170. My only concern. Gotten use to 4 WD.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 8:02pm |
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I tried a one ninety gasser (early one, not an XT) on a new Holland 660 baler for a while, and it just didn't quite have enough balls to do it. The 660 made a 5 X 6 bale though. Darrel
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Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 8:31pm |
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I recently purchased a vermeer 504m and used my series iv d17 to run it the first time I used it. It worked the little girl but I could still run third gear. When going into third high she really pulled down and grunted but never got warm and would keep the bale rolling.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 1:41am |
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I have a Hesston (can't remember the number right now) and used my 180D on it, it was all the tractor wanted on the hills. flat ground it was fine.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 6:50am |
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I would say it depends on what size baler and bale you want to make, our main baling tractor was a 185, it went down and I switched to the 175, it seemed to have enough power for the 6' x 5' bale but on hills it was a bit lite for the job. Now if you were on all flat land I would say it would handle it, or if you went with a smaller baler say 4' x 5' etc it would handle it no problems.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 8:57am |
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The only baler i am familiar with is a Gehl. I ran an 1870 Gehl making 1600 lb 5x6 bales with my 170 gas for years. 1000 bales a year. I bought an 8030 to bale with the last couple years knowing that i will need more power when i have to replace the baler.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 9:10am |
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Huge difference in weight between a 4x5 and 5x 6, the math will surprise you. So if the OP sticks with 4x5 and flat ground, I think he'll be good. Personally I'd be happier with a little leeway, but the 175 would get by.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 9:33am |
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I've had good success baling with older Vemeer 605C (6x5 ~ 1500# bales) powered by JD 3010 diesel (54hp). It has live pto, so foot clutching to back up doesn't interrupt pto while tying bale.
I'd think your AC 175 gas would suffice on power. You'd just have to get used to PD into neutral to accommodate Trans quick shift to reverse without stopping pto.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 10:20am |
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Getting a baler with a bale kicker is a must in my opinion when using an allis. Yes you can shift from forward to reverse with the power director in neutral but it's only with practice and never a guarantee. With the bale kicker you rarely ever need to back up
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 10:42am |
 gerkendave wrote:
Getting a baler with a bale kicker is a must in my opinion when using an allis. Yes you can shift from forward to reverse with the power director in neutral but it's only with practice and never a guarantee. With the bale kicker you rarely ever need to back up |
you are 100 percent right, Dave. But not all kickers are the same, either. On the new holland 660 that I used to run, it had kind of a spring loaded bale kicker, but if you were heading down hill when you ejected a bale, the bale would roll back under the tailgate before you could get it shut. So backing up was still required sometimes. Have a Hesston now with a hydraulic kicker. It holds the bale back out of the way until you get the end gate shut. I like that much better. Darrel
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 12:01pm |
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You are 100% correct. Both of mine have had the hydraulic ramp. I love them
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DiyDave
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 6:38pm |
That reminds me, the one option, I ended up buying for the 5530, was the spring loaded ramp. It rolls the bale just far enough away, so the door will close. I paid $10, fer 2 of em, at an IH dealer auction, sold one, on CL, for $100, IIRR...
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Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 6:45pm |
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When baling with the 185 I put the PD in neutral,tie the bale and dump it.If the bale doesn't go back far enough for the door to clear I just gently nudge the tractor forward with the PD just enough for the door to clear,only piles a little hay up in front of the pickup.Lower the door and go to baling.
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