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AC 5020 broken diff lock?

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    Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 5:12pm
Just curious if this is something that's going to turn this into a parts tractor. 4wd broken but SUPPOSED to only be bearings. Also the diff lock pedal was stuck down but it was not locked, Took some pressure to pull it back up. The pedal is really tight to move. I assume this means tearing into the differential and hope nothing important is broken? 

Bucket and 3 point at least seem to work. Engine runs great.

PTO also spins when it's in neutral, can be easily stoped by hand but it does keep spinning on it's own. Temperature was in the 40s, no clue when fluids were changed. 

If the diff lock is a killer, I really don't want sink any other money into it. Where I am the diff lock is a must, the 4wd would be a nice bonus if it can be repaired but could survive without it. 

Any thoughts appreciated. This is not turning out as I hoped... 

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My differential pedal is stuck in the up position. Since I spent 50 years using tractors without a differential lock I had to learn the foot brake touch to work the same as the lock. Once you get the hang of it is easy to keep both tires pulling the same. I did use the lock when the tractor was new and when you took your foot off the pedal it came back up but that only lasted a few years. When it stuck down I could stop and pull it up but most generally not until the front would turn. A few times the front didn't turn and I put the loader bucket into something unintended I decided it wasn't helpful to use it. Never it missed after that. Still don't.
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oAnybody I've talked to say they are very economical to operate with a very durable engine. So if the cost of repair doesn't get into the stratosphere, and can be bought at a reasonable price it could turn into a good deal.
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Is it possible for the pedal to have been stuck in the down position without destroying the lock? I don't have any idea how the lock system works, it just seems like if the pedal is stuck down and the lock isn't lock, it has to be busted? How does the diff lock work if the brakes aren't stopping evenly?  I have one brake that was WAY looser than the other. When I got it only one side was really doing any braking. Advertised as meticulously maintained by an air craft mechanic. Maybe at some point in it's life but sure not recently. LOL, gonna try to get this thing working one way or another.. 
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here is a photo of the diff lock.


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Pin might be busted off, in the pedal.  If it was engaged, you'd know it...
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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

Pin might be busted off, in the pedal.  If it was engaged, you'd know it...

I think that would be a good option. More complicated than expected and doesn't looklike any sort of easy fix if it anything other than a pin in the pedal that's sheared off. Something to check anyway. 

Definitely not engaged. 



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I've never used my diff. Lock just the brakes as suggested above.sure does help at times pushing this around.
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nice lookin rig Eric




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Hurray, all it took was a little penetrating oil and working the lever back and forth for half an hour. Playing with the tractor today and it just started working as it's supposed too. Got it stuck yesterday just trying to get it to go up a little hill. Added an angle blade to the back (AFTER getting stuck) that gave me a good bit more traction. Oddly that is when the lock started working. 

I wonder if there is something that kept it from working when there wasn't enough traction? It was sort of funny, with just the bucket on it, going down a little hill to the neighbors, the back tires just slid down the street, brakes didn't even slow it a bit. With the loader bucket, this thing is just about useless without a fair amount of counter weight. Thinking of ways to add some more weight on top of the angle blade... Like a different tractor with the angle blade on it for ballast! At least I'm learning some new things. Now if I can actually get the 4x4 working, I'll be thrilled. 




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Trying to push the would while it's laying on it's side is very hard to do, so you may have to buy a bigger tractor. LOL
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How about this idea? 
Hang suitcase weights on a 3 point bracket or secure them to your blade somehow. 
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Originally posted by arlon arlon wrote:

Hurray, all it took was a little penetrating oil and working the lever back and forth for half an hour. Playing with the tractor today and it just started working as it's supposed too. Got it stuck yesterday just trying to get it to go up a little hill. Added an angle blade to the back (AFTER getting stuck) that gave me a good bit more traction. Oddly that is when the lock started working. 

I wonder if there is something that kept it from working when there wasn't enough traction? It was sort of funny, with just the bucket on it, going down a little hill to the neighbors, the back tires just slid down the street, brakes didn't even slow it a bit. With the loader bucket, this thing is just about useless without a fair amount of counter weight. Thinking of ways to add some more weight on top of the angle blade... Like a different tractor with the angle blade on it for ballast! At least I'm learning some new things. Now if I can actually get the 4x4 working, I'll be thrilled. 



Cheap way to do that, is to put some front tractor weights off a compact tractor, on the blade, itself.  Blade makes a pretty good hanger, just put them in the middle...Wink
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eric pa,that 5020 with the blower is one sweet setup.I like it!!!
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I was thinking about trying to hang some weights off the blade. I does look like it should work pretty well. That' may be my cheapest and easiest solution.  Back end really needs some weight. Thought about water in the tires too but don't know much about that process. Wheel weights would be a nice touch but probably hard to find and too expensive. 

Love those weights on the back of the snow blower! That thing looks too nice to use!

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Look on local craig's list.  My rule of thumb is no more than a dollar a pound...
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Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

My differential pedal is stuck in the up position. Since I spent 50 years using tractors without a differential lock I had to learn the foot brake touch to work the same as the lock. Once you get the hang of it is easy to keep both tires pulling the same. I did use the lock when the tractor was new and when you took your foot off the pedal it came back up but that only lasted a few years. When it stuck down I could stop and pull it up but most generally not until the front would turn. A few times the front didn't turn and I put the loader bucket into something unintended I decided it wasn't helpful to use it. Never it missed after that. Still don't.

Could someone briefly explain that? Not sure where to start with this idea. My diff loc seems to be working as long as I'm in low 1-2 gears. Makes a ratcheting sound but doesn't lock in higher gears. Love to get a hint on using the brakes to get a similar affect. 

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In a differential the wheel with the least traction will receive the power, slip, and start spinning if enough traction is lost. The wheel with the most traction will slow/stop turning, the more the other slips. Applying pressure to the foot brake on the slipping/spinning side will simulate that side having traction and the differential will then drive the wheel with traction. It just takes a little practice to apply the right amount of brake pressure to balance driving force between the sides. As Dick said this method has been used for years, a lot of tractors didn't have diff locks. Since the a diff lock engaged eliminates the differential action it can run you straight into things, if you don't watch it, as when both tires have traction the tractor will want to travel straight ahead and the front wheels may just slide straight ahead even when turned.
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Originally posted by arlon arlon wrote:

I was thinking about trying to hang some weights off the blade. I does look like it should work pretty well. That' may be my cheapest and easiest solution.  Back end really needs some weight. Thought about water in the tires too but don't know much about that process. Wheel weights would be a nice touch but probably hard to find and too expensive. 

Love those weights on the back of the snow blower! That thing looks too nice to use!


They're weights from my old D 15, had to have adapter brackets made to be able to hang them on these wheels however. Thanks for the comment. 
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Originally posted by Gatz in NE Gatz in NE wrote:

nice lookin rig Eric


Thanks, and for fixing the picture. for whatever reason whenever I post from my phone that happens
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Originally posted by ac45dave ac45dave wrote:

eric pa,that 5020 with the blower is one sweet setup.I like it!!!
Thanks, but with all that weight hanging out there it really gives the Armstrong power steering a work out! Wink
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If you are hearing a ratcheting sound, it probably isn't working. The lock pins or jaws are jumping over each other.
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I don't know how robust the locking system of the diff lock is on this model, but I DO know the diff lock mechanism of the Kubota BX series, and the best thing to do with THOSE, is to loosen up the bolt that clamps the pedal to the shaft, and remove the pedal completely... 

IMO, Differential locks are okay for automotive and light truck applications, but not for tractors and heavy equipment.  Why?  Because the machine weight is so high, that a turn with full traction AND an unintended diff lock circumstance will result in SOME aspect of the driveline failing, and rarely is it 'inexpensive'.

In the case of the Kubota BX-series, the diff locks are little 'sausage pins' that slide out of holes in one side of the cluster, into holes in the other, and they get halfway in, or halfway out, and the castings break, then the pins shatter, and you get pieces of pin particles propogating to the periphery, penetrating and pulverizing the pinions, pumps, and powertrain.

It was a costly fix, but I minimized the cost and assured that it wouldn't happen again, by totally eliminating the locking components.  It's a 4-wheel drive tractor- if he's slipping a back wheel, he's slipping a front one, too...

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