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    Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 5:52pm
I just took a tour of the Nebraska Tractor Testing Lab on the East Campus in Lincoln this afternoon.
Lots of history there, dating way back to the mid 20s
Nebraska Passed a law that any tractor sold in the state must be tested due to unfounded claims of manufacturers.
most all states decided to take the data found at Nebraska as reliable and only required the Nebraska Data in their state as well.
 
They have the story of Barney Oldfield racing the U allis, against a automobile.
My dad , who is 96 actually saw this race in Clay County Nebraska, as a publicity stunt to advertise rubber tires on tractors.
 
 
all of the records on tractor testing are available for viewing I believe
 
they have many restored tractors there in the Museum
A nice unstyled WC and  a U displayed with many other tractors that were tested there.
 
the lab still tests most tractors made, pretty impressive facility
 
I would recommend taking a tour for anyone that is in the area.
they are open for tours  daily and I do think that they have Saturday hours
 
The students there have a restoration club and are active in the running of the museum.
 
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Thanks Dave. That was interesting.
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     Thanks for posting. Does anyone know how the fee or testing is paid for? I am sure that it is not here is $1000 , wink, wink, test our tractor. Or, we tested your tractor, you owe us a $1000 .
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Yes it is a very good place to visit. The new test area is not using that building and track. A handy book about the old test lab with a summary of the more popular tests is "Farm Tractors 1950-1975" by Lester Larson published by the American Society of Agricultural Engineers in 1981. Lester Larson was in charge of the tractor test lab from 1946 until he retired in 1975.

All of their test reports old and new are available on line, but I don't remember the magic address to find them.

The Nebraska test law was inspired by a company in Minnesota that hired a man with last name Ford and called their tractor a Ford before Henry Ford started making tractors. So Henry called his Fordson. The Minnesota company claimed a lot more than the tractor could do and a Nebraska legislator bought one and found it junk and so wrote the law. I'm sure many a tractor submitted for test was peaked at the factory. The tests included drawbar power, PTO power, fuel consumption at various loads and engine oil consumption and the reports mention if any repairs were needed during the tests.

The Fordson was not the first tractor on the market but it was the first affordable tractor and sold like model T cars that were also priced for the consumer market. A few major tractor builders of the time went bust because the Fordson sold so well. Part of its low cost was light weight and it had a tendency to lift the front and roll over on the driver, they called that climbing the ring gear. One aftermarket company sold heavy duty rear fenders to keep it from going all the way upside down. Somebody should have thought front weights.

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some models of AC's were not tested at the NE lab (7000 series) but were still sold in NE. (illegally)
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Originally posted by shameless (ne) shameless (ne) wrote:

some models of AC's were not tested at the NE lab (7000 series) but were still sold in NE. (illegally)



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You mean, started selling them before they were tested or what? Because there is test data for 7000 series.
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Plus one more on doing the tour if you're going to be in Lincoln. I found it very interesting recognizing pictures in the Nebraska Tractor Tests book while standing in the old test building.
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There are cases of tractors being sold without specifically being tested at Nebraska. The John Deere x30 series, for instance. They claimed the same powertrain as the x20 series and thus relied on the tests for those, with no enhancements to power ratings. So it was possible.
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The changes between the JD x20 and x30 were mostly paint and sheet metal. I think they used the same shop manual. Early and late 4020 were so different they don't share any manuals. And both versions were tested in Lincoln.

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I have read previously that if models were introduced as "updated" but no powertrain/tranny changes, prior model test data was used.
Also read where some manufacturers cried foul on that and disclaimer had to be used for legal reasons.
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http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1089&context=tractormuseumlit
is the current version of test 605 and at the top it is labeled 720/730 but in the vintage test data I see no mention of 730.

In his book Lester Larson clearly states for several Deere tractors of that era that the 30s where only different in the sheet metal, but performed the same. A couple photos from the book down below.

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some of the older tractor test (prior to 1999) are available   (scroll down the page)

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/nebraskatractortestlabpublications

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/nebraskatractortestlabpublications

for 1999 and newer,

click on the Test Reports in the red banner on that same page

Larsen Museum hours & location/directions

http://tractormuseum.unl.edu/

http://tractormuseum.unl.edu/

If you've got Google Earth on your computer, check out the coordinates given for an aerial view

40.831969, -96.668722


IDK if they still have an Open House available to the general public but is sure was enjoyable the time I went. 
Thought I had some pix from it, will have to look on older computer.

Just a few blocks away from the Larsen Museum is the

International Quilt Study Center & Museum

...in case you or some family members would like to see quilts and lots of em
 
1523 N 33rd St




Edited by Gatz in NE - 11 Feb 2017 at 6:22pm
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I've been to the quilt museum, it is well worth the time. Found it interesting as to who some of the major donors were.
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Originally posted by shameless (ne) shameless (ne) wrote:

some models of AC's were not tested at the NE lab (7000 series) but were still sold in NE. (illegally)


Wrong.

Yet another stupid post by the board's clown. 
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Jordon....I happen to own one of those tractors, bought new, when I worked for allis chalmers at the time, and I was told at that time to keep my mouth shut because of it! nothing they or anyone can do about it now! and if you don't like my posts....don't read them!
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Model, Year, Test#
7000, 1975, 1195
7010, 1980, 1345/1346
7020, 1977, 1259/1260
7030, 1973, 1119
7040, 1974/75, 1166/1196
7045, 1979, 1308
7050, 1973, 1120
7060, 1975/76, 1167/1197
7080, 1974, 1168
7580, 1976, 1229
8550, 1977, 1262
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Found some pix of the NE Test Lab facility.  IIRC, these were taken in 2006

beautiful day....

looking west from near the Larsen Lab



line-up of various makes/years of tractors tested at some past date



and of course, some "other brands" that happen to be in the mix





quite the load....



years ago, they only had a couple of Oliver tractors set up for resistance; tractors now have MUCH more horsepower, so require more resistance.


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I always thought that would be a boring job driving the lead tractor. but you'd get to drive them all! lol that one pic looks like it's pulling the hood down on that Case! lol
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oh...and they are racing the wrong way on the track! lol
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Originally posted by shameless (ne) shameless (ne) wrote:

Jordon....I happen to own one of those tractors, bought new, when I worked for allis chalmers at the time, and I was told at that time to keep my mouth shut because of it! nothing they or anyone can do about it now! and if you don't like my posts....don't read them!


They told you to keep your mouth shut because nothing of any value has ever come out of it.  BigAl posted test results, I'll post pics later.
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I had to check if Celina was north of Columbus or not....it is....Is everyone North of Columbus that grumpy? Except Cleveland. Had a lot of fun with people from Cleveland.
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Originally posted by Jordan(OH) Jordan(OH) wrote:


Originally posted by shameless (ne) shameless (ne) wrote:

Jordon....I happen to own one of those tractors, bought new, when I worked for allis chalmers at the time, and I was told at that time to keep my mouth shut because of it! nothing they or anyone can do about it now! and if you don't like my posts....don't read them!



They told you to keep your mouth shut because nothing of any value has ever come out of it.  BigAl posted test results, I'll post pics later.


Uncalled for. take it to the political forum if want to act like this.
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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

I had to check if Celina was north of Columbus or not....it is....Is everyone North of Columbus that grumpy? Except Cleveland. Had a lot of fun with people from Cleveland.


Celina is over in the northwest part of the state. I work over in that area. I'm north of Columbus and like to think I'm not that grumpy!
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yes Tbone, they were being sold before they were tested. and thanks to everyone that PM'd me about this Jordon dude!
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Originally posted by Mike Plotner Mike Plotner wrote:

Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

I had to check if Celina was north of Columbus or not....it is....Is everyone North of Columbus that grumpy? Except Cleveland. Had a lot of fun with people from Cleveland.


Celina is over in the northwest part of the state. I work over in that area. I'm north of Columbus and like to think I'm not that grumpy!


You're not. So, duly noted
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I'll have to look at my Nebraska Test book when I get home. I imagine during the 1970's there might very well have been a long "waiting list" of tractors scheduled to go thru Nebraska's required testing program, which could have delayed some actual testing versus sales being made. Shameless, what is the serial number of your tractor ?? must be pretty low?? they usually start at 1001.
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I dunno Doc...i'll try and gits it
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Dad and I went to "tractor day" for many years in the late 50's and early 60's. We saw the Allis Chalmers fuel cell tractor when it was on display. Also been to the museum a few years ago.
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Dennis,
Were those "Tractor Days" held at Mead NE ?

I recall going to a few of those as a kid with Dad and Grpa in the early 60's

Grpa helped construct some of the large buildings used for munitions manufacturing  during WW2

At that time they were showing a few pelletizing machines; not much came of that.
They also were demonstrating the new ROPS on  a few tractors.
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