This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Allis Chalmers > Farm Equipment
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


WC stearing gears ? aftermarket?

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
R Aiken View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: wc Ohio
Points: 1370
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote R Aiken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: WC stearing gears ? aftermarket?
    Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 3:41pm
I am working on a 1944 WC, changed the front to a good one because the bolts broke off in the old one.
The replacement front had finer tooth gears and an adjustable part that holds the rear bearing and shaft.
All my other WC, WD, and WD45 have larger tooth gears and a nonadjustable part.
This must be an aftermarket, anyone know what?

Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
R Aiken View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: wc Ohio
Points: 1370
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote R Aiken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:05pm
This WC that I am working on, I am keeping track of the work on YouTube each day I get something done.
https://www.youtube.com/user/oldfarmjunk101
5 videos of what I started with and getting rid of the bad parts and 2 starting to put back together.
Back to Top
Dipstick In View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Remington, In.
Points: 8602
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dipstick In Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:14pm
I don't know what it means exactly,,, but my dad's 37 WC has a "Texas Steering unit" on it. A neighbor,, since deceased looked at it once and said,"that has a Texas unit on it"! When I asked him how he knew, he told me the mounting flange was larger than the usual one that was common! Every other WC that I have had has had the smaller unit on it. Bill told me the "Texas steering" steered easier than the normal factory unit.
Sorry,,,,,,,,, that's all that I know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
You don't really have to be smart if you know who is!
Back to Top
CrestonM View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Oklahoma
Points: 8452
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CrestonM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by Dipstick In Dipstick In wrote:

I don't know what it means exactly,,, but my dad's 37 WC has a "Texas Steering unit" on it. A neighbor,, since deceased looked at it once and said,"that has a Texas unit on it"! When I asked him how he knew, he told me the mounting flange was larger than the usual one that was common! Every other WC that I have had has had the smaller unit on it. Bill told me the "Texas steering" steered easier than the normal factory unit.
Sorry,,,,,,,,, that's all that I know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I'd like to learn more about that! Maybe it's a aftermarket thing,,,you know,,,,because,,,,everything's bigger in Texas! Lol!


Edited by CrestonM - 10 Feb 2017 at 4:49pm
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21471
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 5:37pm
After-market. Takes more turns lock-to-lock. That's why it steers easier with a cultivator on the front....more turns.
Back to Top
Bill Deppe/AC Salvag View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Maquoketa, Iowa
Points: 973
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bill Deppe/AC Salvag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 6:16pm
Agree with Doc, seem to remember maybe places like Tractor Supply provided something like this
Back to Top
R Aiken View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: wc Ohio
Points: 1370
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote R Aiken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 7:22pm
We had one with Tractor Supply gears. They had a double lead worm gear, the steering wheel would not kick back when you hit a bump with the front wheels. You drive straight across a plowed field without touching the steering wheel. Also when you would turn you would have to turn back straight, they would not self center.
Back to Top
TramwayGuy View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Location: Northern NY
Points: 11679
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TramwayGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 9:15pm
Must be something else. A double lead worm would take much more effort than a single lead!
Back to Top
CTuckerNWIL View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: NW Illinois
Points: 22822
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CTuckerNWIL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by TramwayGuy TramwayGuy wrote:

Must be something else. A double lead worm would take much more effort than a single lead!

How do you figure? 
http://www.ae-ta.com
Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF
Back to Top
CrestonM View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Oklahoma
Points: 8452
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CrestonM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 7:49am
Seems like a kind of fun aftermarket product I'd like to find! 
Back to Top
TramwayGuy View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Location: Northern NY
Points: 11679
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TramwayGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 9:16am
"How do you figure? "

It's all about the math.   For the same number of teeth on the ring gear, a 2-lead worm is half the ratio of a single lead. For example, if I have 20 teeth on the ring, a single lead worm gives a ratio of 20/1= 20:1. For a double lead worm, the ratio is 20/2 or 10:1. So there has to be something else going on. More (and finer) teeth on the ring gear with the appropriate matching worm is my guess. Either way, both would have been changed.
Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8519
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

After-market. Takes more turns lock-to-lock. That's why it steers easier with a cultivator on the front....more turns.

I remember Dad talking about them...
Back to Top
TomMN View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Elbow Lake, MN
Points: 858
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TomMN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 7:49am
Funny thing this should come up now.  I just wrote an article on the after market WC easy steer.  There were a couple of them out there.  Tractor Supply sold a single lead worm to double the turns lock to lock.  Factory was 3 1/4 turns. Changing from the factory double lead worm to the single lead gave you 6 1/2 turns on the steering wheel.  I have one like Richard's pictures, it required changing the worm , worm gear, and the bearings to accommodate the eccentric mounted rear bearing which allowed you to adjust the depth the worm rode in the worm gear.  The latter was a double lead too, but also gave 6 1/2 turns lock to lock, perhaps the finer teeth made it even easier to steer than just the coarser single lead worm that Tractor Supply sold.  The spring Upper Midwest A-C Club newsletter should have the article with some pictures.
Back to Top
Lonn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: Назарово,Russia
Points: 29792
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 8:05am
I know someone who had at least three of those from Tractor Supply. He pulled them all out and saved them before scrapping the tractors. Too bad his sister was a drug addict at the time and came out to the farm and loaded everything she could carry off to scrap and those gear sets all went. He was going to give or sell at least one to me.
-- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... -
Wink
I am a Russian Bot
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.098 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum