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Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 11:19pm |
Took these pictures while out on a walk on our trail system. I live in an area that was established by the mining industry and this is on display at one of the historic mine sites. Reminds me of just how many different things Allis Chalmers used to make. uploads/14031/2016-09-09_15.50.55_Medium.jpguploads/14031/2016-09-09_15.51.06-1_Medium.jpguploads/14031/2016-09-09_15.50.50_Medium.jpguploads/14031/2016-09-09_15.51.24_Medium.jpg
Edited by cpg - 10 Sep 2016 at 11:20pm
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Chuck(ONT)
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Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 5:12am |
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Neat, what mine was that from? We were in Calumet and Munising in July.
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Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 9:14pm |
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That's cool. Thanks for sharing
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 8:12am |
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It is at the Jackson mine site in Negaunee. Hope you enjoyed your trip up here. There are some really cool old mines and artifacts up around Calumet.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 9:04am |
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We were to see the Quincy mine but got there just as they were closing, so drove up to Copper Harbor and Brockway Drive instead. Beautiful country.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:02pm |
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Nice! I love the Keweenaw, I will be going up in a few weeks for our annual fall trip. There's nothing like the color change up there.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:39pm |
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Yep, farm equipment was just a small part of A-C!
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:55pm |
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Wonder what they used to drive that
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 2:19pm |
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I kinda wonder the same thing. Most of the old mines around here had the hoists, pumps, and mill machinery run on steam engines though many transferred to electric in the 1910s to 1920s. Not sure what year it is; next time I'm out there I will have to try to find a casting or patent date. You would need something with lots of power though, that's for sure.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 3:49pm |
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Early Gyratory crusher or something else that just looks similar?
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 11:05am |
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NICE!! Amazing that some of this stuff is still around after sitting out in the rain etc. for how many years....
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 1:06pm |
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Yep old crusher, it is pretty cool its still around considering it had a very hard job but the thing that it has going for it is that it will take about the rest of eternity for it to rust out! I should take a pictures with something for scale purposes but I am 6'4" and can't come close to seeing in the top and the nuts/studs holding it together are huge! Grabbing one is like holding on to a pop can.
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 1:36pm |
A buddy of mine has one of the better and rather lengthy AC corp history books and it's a fascinating picture filled read that covers a good deal of the industrial end of their works including things like these crushers. 
Next time I see him I will have to ask if I can borrow it to do a full read of it again.
So when you say it's along your trail system is this at some sort of public park of now national historical reserve or on some one now private land? I'm curious as to how they work things there regarding abandoned mines and related industrial complexes in Michigan or at least your area?
Here in ND we don't have much of that other than a few protected abandoned open pit strip mines that are pretty devoid of any mechanical relics of any kind being most of the mines were at one time private land between when they closed down and before they went into being a protected historical sites and the landowners in those time frames carted off anything they could scrap out for easy cash.  |
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 1:50pm |
 Dave in il wrote:
Wonder what they used to drive that |
I would guess that it would have ran off on of those huge stationary engines like what's seen on so many YouTube videos covering interesting stuff that's now in historical museums and antique machinery collections.
It could have been electrically driven but back then so few mines had access to the at the time high capacity electrical utility level power systems that could have powered this sort of machinery it usually wasn't cost effective or practical to do. If they weren't within a few miles of major utility line system, which were pretty uncommon in rural areas in the pre 40's and 50's and even later times in many places, anything over a few 10's of HP was way cheaper and more practical to run off of a large stationary engine or generator or several if their operation was big enough.
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 5:44pm |
Just for interest.
What that old timer evolved into nearly 3/4 of a century later.
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Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 6:25pm |
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There is a old mercury(quick silver) mine just a few miles away.They ran electricity to it in the 30's. My dad talked about the WPA crew that hand dug wholes and set poles. His parents got electricity at that time because they were only 100 feet from the line. But no branch lines where built unless the user payed. Maybe goverment was doing some prep for WW2 as mercury was part the priming for ammunition. Before electricity was generally available the line was extended 10 miles or better to lime quarry. So who knows any more what got electricity back in the day,as this mine was 20 to 30 miles from any amount of people.
Since I was born a year or 2 after it got to are ranch just cannot think about not having electricity.
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 6:51am |
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It is in a wooded section we call "old town". It was closed off and all the houses cleared in the 1950s due to all the mining they had concerns of ground stability. It was re-assessed and found to be stable enough for walking traffic so they built a paved trail system and there are still old random roads, stairs, walls, and railroads running all over that were left over from town being there. This is at a mine site that was our first, started as an open pit mine just chipping the ore off the cliffs in 1846 though there is also an underground drift they drilled into the cliff face. It is now a public owned historic site with board walks and display boards talking about the history. I will put up some pics I have of the actual mine site.
In Michigan, at least in the UP, we have at least 4 other mines that you can still tour so they are able to be open to the public. Two are owned by local government/historical park societies and two are private owned and re-opened as tourist attractions. All of them you can pay to have a tour and one will bring out a loader bucket of old material that you can mine for minerals in the area; mainly copper and silver.
They all have at least some remnants and examples of old buildings, hoists, rockhouses, engines, ore carts, trains, stamps, etc.
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Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:03am |
Tcmtech wrote:
A buddy of mine has one of the better and rather lengthy AC corp history books and it's a fascinating picture filled read that covers a good deal of the industrial end of their works including things like these crushers.
Next time I see him I will have to ask if I can borrow it to do a full read of it again.
So when you say it's along your trail system is this at some sort of public park of now national historical reserve or on some one now private land? I'm curious as to how they work things there regarding abandoned mines and related industrial complexes in Michigan or at least your area?
Here in ND we don't have much of that other than a few protected abandoned open pit strip mines that are pretty devoid of any mechanical relics of any kind being most of the mines were at one time private land between when they closed down and before they went into being a protected historical sites and the landowners in those time frames carted off anything they could scrap out for easy cash. |
It is in a wooded section we call "old town". It was closed off and
all the houses cleared in the 1950s due to all the mining they had
concerns of ground stability. It was re-assessed and found to be stable
enough for walking traffic so they built a paved trail system and there
are still old random roads, stairs, walls, and railroads running all
over that were left over from town being there. This is at a mine site
that was our first, started as an open pit mine just chipping the ore
off the cliffs in 1846 though there is also an underground drift they
drilled into the cliff face. It is now a public owned historic site with
board walks and display boards talking about the history. I will put up
some pics I have of the actual mine site.
In Michigan, at least
in the UP, we have at least 4 other mines that you can still tour so
they are able to be open to the public. Two are owned by local
government/historical park societies and two are private owned and
re-opened as tourist attractions. All of them you can pay to have a tour
and one will bring out a loader bucket of old material that you can
mine for minerals in the area; mainly copper and silver.
They
all have at least some remnants and examples of old buildings, hoists,
rockhouses, engines, ore carts, trains, stamps, etc.
Edited by cpg - 14 Sep 2016 at 7:03am
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