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CrestonM 
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 6:11pm |
for the front crankshaft seal. I called Napa and they said they couldn't get the speedi-sleeves or the rubber lip seal anymore. Any help appreciated! Thanks!
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Dick L
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 7:34pm |
I will call my local NAPA tomorrow and see what they say. It has been most likely seven years since I bought one from NAPA but would be surprised if they didn't carry them in stock. They have started not having as much as they did in stock but when I call they deliver the items to me the next morning.
On another note, before I knew of speedy sleeves I would take a Dremal cutting disk and clean the spiral then fill it with JBWeld steel. I then filed it down leaving it slightly high and using a strip of emery cloth sand it all smooth. It worked as good as the speedy sleeve. It does add a day to the rebuild waiting for the JBWeld to cure before sanding smooth. When I am working on a project I hate having to stop. It is just to hard for me to get back on that project. I like the speedy sleeves or any needed parts to be on hand before I start such of a project.
I have ten year old projects that I needed to order parts and after the parts came in they are still in the area of the project I think. 
Sandy Lake will have the seals in stock.
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Hubnut
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 8:00pm |
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Dick,
I was afraid to chime in before, but I used the JB Weld method on two my tractors. Haven't had a leak yet.
Steve
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 8:48pm |
Thanks, both of you guys! Dick, you're my "right hand man" when it comes to anything B/C/CA related! You always seem to have the right answer at the right time!
I know what you mean about not wanting to continue a project after waiting for the parts to come in! That happened to me a few times already, with different projects. I might try the JB weld method. It seems like it would be cheaper to do that than the speedi-sleeve. I don't mind the delay in waiting for the JB weld to dry. Usually what I do, to keep me interested in my project at hand, is to have 2-3 projects going on at once. Right now, I'm building my B engine, a homemade "putt-putt bike", and making a bolt-on 3pt hitch for my SC disk so I can use it with my 8N. By having several projects, I can work on one for a few days, then skip to another, and so forth. This way I have some variety, and don't get burned out by doing the same project every day for several weeks. |
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 10:09pm |
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I get my speedy sleeves at O'Reillys. If I remember correctly they were the National brand.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 10:22pm |
Ok, so I did a google search and there's about 50 different kinds of JB Weld. Which do I need? I was thinking this....
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 10:38am |
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Creston,
That won't work. Buy the stuff in the tubes. It flows better and will fill the gaps.
Steve
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 11:00am |
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creston, on the last post about this I posted the CR part # and the dimention chart matching it. whats the issue? if napa cant cross that CR # you need a new NAPA
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 11:30am |
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Creston,
That won't work. Buy the stuff in the tubes. It flows better and will fill the gaps.
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I don't know why it wouldn't work. This is 2 tubes that have to be mixed to use and is made for many uses including steel.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 11:35am |
CAL(KS) wrote:
creston, on the last post about this I posted the CR part # and the dimention chart matching it. whats the issue? if napa cant cross that CR # you need a new NAPA |
I'm not sure. I gave them the number, and they said they can no longer get them. I know the guy behind the counter well, his dad and he farm about 1/2 mile away from us, so he's not the average citybot kid behind the counter.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 11:36am |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
Hubnut wrote:
Creston,
That won't work. Buy the stuff in the tubes. It flows better and will fill the gaps.
Steve
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I don't know why it wouldn't work. This is 2 tubes that have to be mixed to use and is made for many uses including steel.
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The link I posted doesn't show 2 tubes, only one. He must be talking about something else?
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 12:01pm |
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the sleeve is 99149 CR, SKF and NATIONAL all the same number. NAPA # is 99149 also. all over the net. O'reilly lists it for 65 mustang with same part # and 3 yr warranty
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 1:31pm |
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Correct me, but don't you need a slightly larger seal when you use a Speedy Sleeve?
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 1:36pm |
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yes the sleeve and correct seal come together
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Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 2:55pm |
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I'll take those numbers to Napa and see what they have to say. Thanks!
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 5:29pm |
CrestonM wrote:
The link I posted doesn't show 2 tubes, only one. He must be talking about something else? |
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 5:33pm |
DougS wrote:
Correct me, but don't you need a slightly larger seal when you use a Speedy Sleeve?
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Nope, the sleeve is very thin and rubber seals have room to stretch. BTDT although some may sell a different seal for them.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 6:12pm |
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You can get most any size of speedy sleeve from McMaster-Carr. I had a idler chew into a stub axle, on the U/C of my ASV RC-30 loader, left a groove about 1/4"-5/16" deep. Used 2 coats of straight JB weld, The stuff any hardware store sells. First coat, I put in the groove, sanded it down, with a strip of emory cloth, then put a second coat on, with the sleeve installation. 3-4 years ago, still running good, today...
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Posted: 08 Jul 2016 at 8:43pm |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
CrestonM wrote:
The link I posted doesn't show 2 tubes, only one. He must be talking about something else? |
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Just for the record I have one new stick and a half stick in my tool box. The package at the link has only one stick. I slice off the amount I want to use and mix it between my thumb and finger until the center of the stick is mixed well with the outside. It is a thick putty. I use it on a crack on one of my C radiators. I force it in and it sets up quickly. It falls off after a while and I reapply. I would not use it on the crankshaft. The JBWeld in the tubes will run until it sets up, the putty will not run as it is thick. I have also used the stick on small dints rather than mix up bondo. The stick has a round foil seal that I put back on after slicing off what I need to keep it from hardening in the plastic tube for storage.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2016 at 8:32pm |
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Creston. Seal Co here in okc. Can get ANY SEAL OR SPEEDY SLEEVE! Half the price any where else. All you need is to measure or a number to cross reference.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2016 at 9:17pm |
Creston, Do not lose faith. Get that B - my favorite - running, You have some outstanding advice from some of the best mechanics I have never met but wish I could. Let us know how it goes Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted: 09 Jul 2016 at 9:39pm |
Bill Long wrote:
Creston, Do not lose faith. Get that B - my favorite - running, You have some outstanding advice from some of the best mechanics I have never met but wish I could. Let us know how it goes Good Luck! Bill Long |
Will do Bill! My B ties with my 8N for favorite. If the B had 3pt hitch, it WOULD be the favorite! 
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Posted: 09 Jul 2016 at 9:45pm |
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Also, Dick, have you had any problems with the seals leaking after you use JB Weld to fill in the grooves? I was told over time they will begin leaking again, as the epoxy won't hold up for long.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 8:06am |
CrestonM wrote:
Also, Dick, have you had any problems with the seals leaking after you use JB Weld to fill in the grooves? I was told over time they will begin leaking again, as the epoxy won't hold up for long. |
No problems. The seal lip does not ride on the JB Weld in the spiral. To wear into the JB Weld it would have to wear a groove into the steel. Just wrap a thread around the crankshaft over the grooves where the lip would ride to see for your self. I used a speedy sleeve on the C I mow with and it leaks. I must have damaged the seal when I installed it. As I buy another jug of oil I say I should put the new seal on this thing one of these days. At least the fronts not going to rust.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 8:38am |
Thanks. Now the next question...Is there any place I can order just a shim pack for the crank bearings? Seems every site I check sells them in an overhaul kit only.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 9:05am |
power max lists them. at the bottom of each bearing list is shim kit numbers. should be able to get them separate from the overhaul kit. http://www.powermaxparts.com/DEMO/AC-125-A.html
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Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 3:54am |
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Try calling Brenda, at Sandy Lake Imp. for the shims.
She is good at that kind of stuff.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:14am |
Ok, I tried the JB weld method, and now have the spiral filled in and sanded smooth. Now I need the lip seal part number. I've called 2 Napa stores and neither say they can't get an Allis-Chalmers B front crankshaft lip seal. If anyone has the part number, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:03am |
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these are the numbers from my napa prolink page,early and late production.both are available but would have to be ordered. FPG 14443 late FPG 15162 early
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 11:11am |
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I bought a reliance shim pack for my WD45. Instead of a "laminate" shim pack, it came as single .010 shims. I would order from Sandy lake so you get the actual laminate shim pack so you can peel off layers to get the correct tolerance.
I ended up just making some shims at work from .005, .004, and .003 shim stock.
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