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    Posted: 29 Mar 2016 at 9:22am
I am in the process of painting the wheel centers and cab top on my 1980 Black Belly 7060.  I called my AGCO dealer, gave the model, and he shipped several rattle cans of AGCO Cloud White paint (part # 79014655).  I have painted the front wheels and wheel centers and they look to me to be slightly beige, rather than pure white.  I have seen on this board some talk about "new white".  Is that what is used on the 8000 series or is that what I should have used on the wheel centers?  If I used the wrong color, now is the time to fix it since they are still clean.

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I'd like to know to. I was painting a new set of axel duals for the 8070 and they were new rims from Unverferth and were silver. I got cloud white and painted one side of them and was hoping when it dried it would be more of a white but it looks just about like the cream that the 7040 has. I got a can of new white to try but would love to know what is right. The new to us 8070's cast centers are white and cloud just looks to cream to be called "white". Did AGCO change the paint formulation?

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Cloud white is correct for black chassis tractors. New white is used on gleaner combine cabs. Mike
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Cloud white is correct, but since AGCO doesn't have it in anything but spray cans and there isn't an off the shelf alternative many times people just use "white".
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Well cloud white does not look white at all. If you look in Norm's book for the black bellies and 8000 series the cast centers look white. But the cloud white that I just painted looks cream and not like the pictures in the book. I sprayed a bit of new white and it looks more like what is in his book.
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Thanks for the replies.  I guess that I will stay with cloud white since I have the front rims done, but in hind sight, I think I would use new white, it just looks better.
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I was thinking that new white is the correct color for the black frame Allis and that cloud white is what the Oliver tractors used on their wheels?
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Clover white on oliver wheels.
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I thought the black belly tractors were corporate orange and new white. I may be wrong, but that's what I use on them.
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Lynn, I looked at what Swinford says, and under the section on page 125 for the 7000 Series Black Chassis Tractors he states that "the new color scheme used Corporate orange, and since black and white were part of the corporate color standards.........the cream on the wheels and cab top became white".  But the picture on page 129 of a 7000 black belly appears to have a white wheel that is slightly to the cream side.  The same is true in a 32 page advertising brochure I have introducing the 7080/7060/7045/7020.  When comparing the white of the wheels to the white on the hood decal, there is a cream tint to the wheels and cab top.  That said, I still like the looks of new white on the black chasis.  But since I have the top and front wheels done, I am going to finish in cloud white and hope is sun bleaches it some.
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Originally posted by ryan(IN) ryan(IN) wrote:

Did AGCO change the paint formulation?

I don't know about the formula but I'm thinking there was a supplier change.

I'm doing a little paint work on my 7000 and needed some maroon. I bought what they had and used it up. I needed a bit more so I ordered a case of sprays. The "new" cans were made by Valspar and a noticeably different shade of maroon than the first stuff.

Might be the same deal?

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many tractors I've seen use a white that is to white,and it looks terrible and cheap,cloud white is the proper off white nothing allis was ever bright white.
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Originally posted by Play Farmer Play Farmer wrote:

Originally posted by ryan(IN) ryan(IN) wrote:

Did AGCO change the paint formulation?

I don't know about the formula but I'm thinking there was a supplier change.

I'm doing a little paint work on my 7000 and needed some maroon. I bought what they had and used it up. I needed a bit more so I ordered a case of sprays. The "new" cans were made by Valspar and a noticeably different shade of maroon than the first stuff.

Might be the same deal?


I know this is an old post but quite possibly.  I went to the AGCO stealership to get some paint to paint  to touch up the cab on my Gleaner and they sold me cloud white but it is nowhere close to what is on the cab.  They also had a well used 8070 on the lot and they had obviously done a rattle can paint job on the wheel centers of that thing with this stuff and it just didn't look right.   Too beige.  I am old enough to remember when the black belly 7000s and 8000s were new and the wheels were a whiter white than that what AGCO is selling. 


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Wanted to drag up this thread to see if anyone has figured if the formulation is wrong on the current cloud white.

I had my local dealer order some Cloud White and New White, 1 can each, so I'll see whats up. Luckily plenty of Gleaners around here to use the new white on if the cloud white turns out to be correct for the tractor.

All the original paint 78+Allis' wehave around here seem to be a rather stark, bright white, so if the Cloud white has any cream to it, I will probably use the new white.
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While Agco says that Cloud White is correct for the later tractors, I agree with everyone that says the Cloud White that Agco is selling is not correct and is too beige / cream. In fact, it’s not that different in color from the original Allis cream. I think the New white is actually a better color for the 8000 series, etc.
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I started this thread 3-1/2 years ago and I still don't know what to use for a 7000 series black belly.  However, at the GOTO in Pontiac last year, there was 7060 black belly that was from the Patternson dealership in Michigan that had NEVER been sold until 2017, and it had Cloud White wheel centers.  It was also featured in the Fall 2019 Old Allis News on page 19.  I also have several color sales brochures of the black bellys that show cloud white wheel centers.  
I wonder if of 10 or 40 years, the cloud white fades to a true white.

Here's the pic I took at Pontiac, and the wheels look cloud white to me.  So, I'm staying with cloud white.
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It does look like the cab top of the 7060 is (faded?) lighter than the wheels which appear pretty close in color to the “cream” on the D-series behind it. (I guess we’re assuming those 7060 hubs/wheels were never touched up???) Looking at original 6 and 8000 series literature, it looks like there could have been a couple different shades of “white”. Some of the literature could have been pre-production though... I wonder if the wheels and hubs could have been painted by a supplier (or different batches of paint) and therefore had some differences as well. The white on the tractors in the Loretta Lynn ranch ad movie on YouTube does seem to be pretty white, but maybe the film faded?
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We have messed around with this quite a while now on our 6000- and 8000-series tractors. The Agco Cloud White in rattle cans has been a disaster on the painting side. Most cans we get are practically worthless and clog up before 1/4 of the paint is used up. It's almost like someone didn't put the correct amount of propellant in each can. Either that, or these cans have been on the shelf a loooong time.

I've done a lot of comparisons of different Rust-Oleum colors to Cloud White and have found that R-O Antique White is VERY close to Cloud White, just a fuzz darker. If you really don't care about perfection and need to get it painted TODAY with a decent paint, I think R-O Antique White will look pretty much the same from 10 feet away. Besides that, it will likely fade in a few years to be very close to Cloud White.

Cloud White out of the can appears almost more cream than white, as meanolallis has stated. Maybe it will fade to what we see on these tractors today, who knows? I have never seen a cloud in the sky that color, and I've seen a lot of clouds.

We have some New White we're going to try. 

It would be helpful if someone could sand down part of a rim to the original Cloud White and somehow get more information from that patch. Just an idea.

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Originally posted by Dana Hobson Dana Hobson wrote:

I started this thread 3-1/2 years ago and I still don't know what to use for a 7000 series black belly.  However, at the GOTO in Pontiac last year, there was 7060 black belly that was from the Patternson dealership in Michigan that had NEVER been sold until 2017, and it had Cloud White wheel centers.  It was also featured in the Fall 2019 Old Allis News on page 19.  I also have several color sales brochures of the black bellys that show cloud white wheel centers.  
I wonder if of 10 or 40 years, the cloud white fades to a true white.

Here's the pic I took at Pontiac, and the wheels look cloud white to me.  So, I'm staying with cloud white.

Just checking my eyes here the rears look different than the fronts to me in this picture. Am I just being fooled by angles and light.
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looks to me the rim is silver, the hub cloud white
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My 1975 cotton stripper has the "cloud white" creme colored wheels, and the brighter white cab of a Gleaner L/M. Been barn kept since new, so not too much sun fading. 
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wonder why that particular tractor never sold? did it have a strange combination of options that were not liked in that part of the country?
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Yeah, why did it not sell?
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