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Alberta Phil View Drop Down
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    Posted: 22 Oct 2015 at 6:51pm
Here is a neat product.  Keeps everything looking original.  I'll bet Steve knows all about it! LOL

http://www.gener-nator.com/index.htm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jaybmiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2015 at 8:30pm
I've seen it before..
.hmm...NO 'tech' info like current rating on the website, THAT is an important detail....
.hmm...NO prices, least not that I could see,THAT's real important
.hmmm..says it's NOT an alternator 'stuffed' inside a generator case,DOH...yes it is

I made one for G#2 when I was bored one winter,yup took a wee bit of bodging but yes you can put a Jap alternator into a D-R carcass. Cost me $50 plus 3 days in the shop.

However I'll bet a D-14 that Steve can rebuild a genny a lot cheaper than buying one of these 'not-an-alternator-stuffed-into-a-genny-case'!!

Jay

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Actually the classic generator is an alternator with mechanical rectification at the commutator. The current in the armature winding reverses polarity every half turn of the shaft so the wire sees alternating current. A few such generators have been rewound into AC generators by putting more turns in the armature and replacing the commutator with slip rings. My dad converted a '32 Dodge generator/starter into one when I was a year or two old. I still have it. Later we did that to a 24 volt gasoline powered military surplus generator. I'm not sure where that one is today. One could make a generator into such an alternator with external rectifiers and slip rings. Converting it to rotating field and fixed power winding with fixed rectifiers like the common automotive alternator would be a great deal more work.

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Yeah, did a few of those in the past for customer's. They're expensive to do, more so than when I change a 6V gennie over to 12V. Most customer's look at it as if I'm spending less money changing to a 12V, I might as well put my money toward the upgrade to 12V! Sounds logical to me. (Less work for me also)   LOL!
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Not to hijack a thread, but ou can take a 6v genny and make it a 12v?  I'd love to get my D17 back to a genny and have a 6v from my WD sitting here.  Whats an operation like that cost?
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My 6V-12V Generator conversions usually run $325.-$360 depending on what Voltage Regulator I need to use for the unit or application. The VR is what makes the price differ. I mate the VR to the Gennie for a matched set. If its a application where the customer wants the VR piggy backed on the Gennie, I include the wiring at no charge. Other than that, you have your 6V unit gutted, and I build it all with new components inside for 12V. Best part about it is no special brackets, belt & pulley stays the same, bolts right back on like it was and it has the OEM original look. Sweet. Its like the Pertronix E.I. system. Change the guts, but outside is stock.
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Sorry, after I read my post it sounds like you have to gut the Gennie. I do that when I tear it down. Bad use of words. You just have to ship me the unit. I'll do the rest! LOL!

Edited by Steve in NJ - 23 Oct 2015 at 7:02am
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I have rewound a 12 volt generator for 24 volts. It was lots of work but educational for me at the age of 13. When I got to college and took the DC machinery course, I learned that the DC dynamo simply needs to be turned faster to double the voltage. Double the shaft speed for double the voltage while holding the field current constant. Increasing the field current also raises the armature voltage, but is limited by saturating the field and armature core iron. Doubling the field current quadruples the field coil heating and isn't necessarily beneficial for long life. Doubling the shaft speed does work and adds wear to the bearings, brushes, and commutator. Smaller generator/alternator pulleys do exist. Then the voltage regulator takes care of the battery. Going from a 3 brush generator that may produce 12 volts without modification to a voltage regulator is a step forward in generator technology that will significantly increase battery life and reduce the need for regular battery water replacement. When the generator charges at fast idle, say 800 RPM, but you plow at 1600 engine RPM the generator would be charging on 12 volts at 1600 RPM or a bit less. I spent several days some years ago with a 12 volt generator testing it as a motor (which works fine) at 12 and 24 volts and it didn't overheat even though I was putting heavy loads on it (edge of plank into the pulley) and drawing rated current in the armature.

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I think the price is starting at $600 and then more than $1K for rare stuff.
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