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LouSWPA 
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Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 10:06pm |
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anybody hear anything about this? 2005-2019 Ford PU supposedly suddenly shaking so bad they become uncontrollably?
don't know anything more about.
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JoeM(GA)
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Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 10:30pm |
local news here in Atlanta just did a story a week or two back on it, it's been happening for years, dealer I was at back in middle 90's had one that did it
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 6:01am |
heck the tierod ends on my F150 popped off..THAT wasn't a safety recall..... 'shakers' seem to be F250-350 series.. probably the heavy duty stuff wasn't designed right ?
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 6:11am |
I deal with that issue all the time. 4x4 only. F250 up. Front ends are usually ready for overhaul at 100K. Track bar ball joint and one of the right tie rods are the first to go. Then ball joints and everything else. Poor design.
I've experienced the 'death wobble'. It with definitely wake you up if you are not ready for it. The only other thing I could compare it to the 'pucker factor' is a trailer that is loaded wrong and starts whipping.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 9:00am |
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I deal with that issue all the time. 4x4 only. F250 up. Front ends are usually ready for overhaul at 100K. Track bar ball joint and one of the right tie rods are the first to go. Then ball joints and everything else. Poor design.
I've experienced the 'death wobble'. It with definitely wake you up if you are not ready for it. The only other thing I could compare it to the 'pucker factor' is a trailer that is loaded wrong and starts whipping.
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Usually can get it to happen in a slight left hand turn while hitting a dip in the road at speeds above 45mph. We have had some success with aftermarket adjustable track bars to alleviate the problem.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 9:04am |
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Thousands of threads to be found on "death wobble," particularly on Jeep sites.
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS start with the easiest, simplest, cheapest, most obvious things, because death wobble is notoriously hard to diagnose properly since it's usually a combination of things. Fix ONE, think you're DONE, but nope... no sense throwing money at a problem you can't precisely define. With most Jeeps exhibiting death wobble its due to solid front axles with coil springs, thereby using upper and lower control arms. So many things to wear or go out of alignment...
Good luck, it's NOT FUN.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 9:08am |
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A neighbors Dodge would do that. Driving down a bumpy country road and you hit a bump that sets it off is forsure a surprise.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 10:10am |
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 10:18am |
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I think any solid front axle pickup can have, my brothers f350 with 20,000 miles had it, fixed once and again about 10,000 miles later. Dealer knew they had a problem on older ones but thought they had cured it and this was on a 2017 model.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 5:22pm |
TimCNY wrote:
Thousands of threads to be found on "death wobble," particularly on Jeep sites.
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS start with the easiest, simplest, cheapest, most obvious things, because death wobble is notoriously hard to diagnose properly since it's usually a combination of things. Fix ONE, think you're DONE, but nope... no sense throwing money at a problem you can't precisely define. With most Jeeps exhibiting death wobble its due to solid front axles with coil springs, thereby using upper and lower control arms. So many things to wear or go out of alignment...
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My '97 model JGC was put into an independent shop for the "wobble", and after replacing EVEREYTHING except the little "shock-looking thing" to the ' toon of $800 and STILL had the "wobble", a $22 "strut" type mechanism from Advanced Auto And a knowable friend of mine with a pole barn and tools had it diagnosed within 8 minutes and 10 minutes worth of time!!
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 6:00pm |
I usedta have a MF Turf 20 tractor that had it, pivot bushing in front axle was wore so bad, it would get to kickin back and forth so bad you'd almost lose control! Though not related to the OP, my solution, was when you knew a bump was comin, that would set her off, you put both feet on the inner tie rod ends, and brace back, against the seat while pullin down on the throttle, to keep the speed up. you hadda take yer hat off, before roadin this tractor, cause the 30+MPH top speed would blow it off, otherwise! 
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 8:55pm |
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the fords had that problem way back in the 70's too. drove quite a few of the F250's, F700, F750's, the bigger trucks had it too, kinda hairy when loaded.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 9:31pm |
DanWi wrote:
A neighbors Dodge would do that. Driving down a bumpy country road and you hit a bump that sets it off is forsure a surprise. |
I was following a jacked up Dodge doing about 80mph on I-15 in Utah last year. They hit a little dip in the road and boy did he fight that thing, thought he was going to lose it. Passed him and never saw him again....
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 7:26pm |
[QUOTE=shameless dude]the fords had that problem way back in the 70's too. drove quite a few of the F250's, F700, F750's, the bigger trucks had it too, kinda hairy when loaded. [/QUOT
I been around 2 old F600 that a cheap little old stabilizer fixed right up.  I guy made a deal on Chevy K 30 4x4 with a built 454. Then next week he says it can shack on a bad road.It is real nice in front of a big trailer,till you hit a piece of rough road. It already had a stabilizer,which I replaced along with any suspect parts and it still shacks  . Had several people work on it,and still shacks. Found a Ford for cheap and it doesn't shack. |
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Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 1:20am |
'death wobble' happens as a result of two things:
1) the front axle can move laterally (side to side) 2) the steering box is attached to the frame.
When a bump moves the axle moves to the right, this pivots the front wheels to the left, because the drag link is not able to move with the axle. With the wheels now pointing left, and the axle's suspension being somewhat 'loaded' to the right, the axle snaps rapidly to the left, and overshoots the center position, causing the wheels to now be pointing to the right.
Eventually, this oscillation escalates to the point where the axle starts to 'bounce' from left to right wheel.
Yes, it happens on any solid-front-axle vehicle. Steering oscillation can also occur on other suspension types, but mostly it'll be on solid front axles.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 2:09pm |
That's been around for decades. Also better known as "Bump Steer". Had a lot of issues at work with all out F250's on up. Monroe makes a steering dampner that bolts to the centerlink and to the crossmember. Worked quite well on our pickups at work. Mainly 4x4's. And like the guys said, when things get worn, its time to replace the steering linkage PRONTO! Steve@B&B
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Death wobble is easy to fix. First and foremost, replace any loose parts, then do a proper alignment. Some people will say take caster away from it. This is a bad idea as taking caster away also reduces stability on the highway. Straight axle vehicles do not like much toe in. Every vehicle with the death wobble I've dealt with had upwards of 1/4" toe in, twice what any independent suspension is recommended. Reducing the toe to 1/16" takes care of the condition without reducing stability.
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