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    Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 1:42pm
Hi all, I wanted to introduce myself as i'm confident i will be bouncing around here for ome time.  My wife and i bought a defunct farm this year and would like to work it.  She has a couple horses so we are going to try and start baling hay next year.  I work on all my personal vehicles and some stuff for friends but am new to the farming scene and this type of equipment.  She has some operating experience with haying so between the both of us we are hoping to make it work.

I've been on yesterdays tractors as i hadn't gotten myself a rig yet but now that i am in the AC circle it makes sense (and they recommended) to join the club over here.  I picked up a 1983 6080 last weekend.  It is 4x4 with a bucket, cab and loaded tires.  Runs and drives, but just okay; was sitting for 5 years and is pretty rough.  It does have the external thrust bearing support installed and the serial number is about 40 before 1984 so i think it has the internal upgrade as well.  I have not checked play in it. I already have some parts ordered and have been doing a lot of research on fluids and filters and manuals.  I'm pretty green when it comes to all of this stuff so forgive me if i have some stupid questions.  Looking forward to joining the community and hearing from you.

Right now my front driveshaft is out as the splines are a little busted on one end.  What is the best remedy for this?  New, used, or try to get the one i have remanufactured?

My hand brake is seized up.  I think it is stuck at the handle base and i have been spraying it with PB blaster the last couple days but it hasn't freed up and I haven't gotten underneath to look all the linkages over yet either.  Any recommendations on doing something different?

The right side PTO clutch lever has no resistance back and forth and does not do anything.  I just printed out the diagram and haven't inspected the linkage yet.  What do you guys suggest here?  I just saw that someone had to have the tractor split to fix this at a cost of 2K and this is not in our budget so i am really open to suggestions.

There are some other issues (running and driving) that i feel confident in handling on my own but i do have some questions on levers, buttons and lights.  If the Operator's Manual isnt able to answer them i'll let you know.  Is the operator's manual available for free download anywhere or is that one i will need to purchase?

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Welcome to the club!!!

I can't answer anything specific on your 6080 but I can supply a link to the AGCO parts book.

http://www.agcopartsbooks.com/PartsBooksN/Viewer/Default.aspx?

Just type in 6080 and you will have access to the part numbers and pictures. If you need parts you can find them with the vendors that support this site at the top of this page under "parts".

Good luck with the 6080 and we always like pictures!!

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Thank you Stan, this is where i've been looking to find parts.  Had a tough time finding a dealer with online searches so i made a phone call to AGCO and they told me about a dealer only 25 minutes away.  Should have some parts in next week and be running smoother.  
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The PTO lever on the 6080 is actually a two step process.  The large lever on the right side of the cab is the seasonal disconnect.  Pulled back, PTO is off, Forward is on.  The lever on the left of the seat is the engagement lever (lift up to engage, down to disengage).  To operate PTO equipment, here is the sequence. 

Starting position: Right hand lever forward, left hand lever down.

1. Pull right hand lever back.  It should stay in that position. 
2. Pull up on left hand lever. 
3. Gently release right hand lever, and the PTO will turn. 

If you are doing something with the PTO, you can stop PTO motion by pulling back on the right hand lever again. 

When you are done using PTO, the steps are:
1. Pull Right hand lever back to stop PTO.
2. Lower left hand PTO lever to disengage the PTO
3. Release right hand lever back to forward position. 

Pretty simple once you get used to the steps.  The right hand device hits two safety switches.  The tractor should not start with the right hand PTO lever all the way back.
The left hand lever is what actually moves a splined collar over the PTO shaft internally in the rear end. 

Welcome to the forum.  You will get lots of answers here.  
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The parking break is bolted to the floor with four bolts.  Then the lever is attached with a clevis pin under the platform. 

I have had to remove the handle before to replace it.  It is a simple job.  If you remove the clevis under the platform, you should be able to move the lever that it is attached to that goes into the rear housing.  If that lever does not move, then you have internal problems.  If the shaft coming from the handle in the cab does not move, then yes, the mechanism is frozen up there. 

I can't help with the FWA, as my 6080 is 2wd.  But if you need parts, check with the vendors on this site.  There are also a lot of salvage yards in the midwest that have gotten me parts before.

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Thanks John, i'll get that brake apart soon and see just where the issues are.  We had unseasonably warm weather up until this past weekend and now temps have dropped.  I don't have any heated garage space so hopefully they will come back up a bit.  

Any advice on checking out the right side PTO issues?
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You have a nice tractor there. !!!!
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Running with that right hand lever pulled back/ engaged for an extended amount of time is NOT a good idea. I 'm a bit anal but when I engage or disengage the left side pto lever I shut the tractor down.
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Thanks, I'm hoping it will be nice in about 6 months. I'm afraid it will need to be split to get that pto clutch working bUT we will see.

I was messing around some tonight and I have very little movement on the left side PTO lever. It moves up and down only about an inch. How much is it supposed to move?

What is that third lever on the left side, farthest over?
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The one inch of play seems a bit small, but not by much.  I think my lever lifts about 2 inches.  It is not like my 190, which has close to six inches on the lever.  I imagine that the other lever on the left side is the FWA engage/disengage. 

I think the best thing to do would be to try and engage the PTO.  Follow the instructions above, and see if anything happens.  Does the PTO spin in the back? 

Forgot to ask earlier.  What part of Maine are you from?  I spent a lot of time living and exploring Maine.  Especially West Central, and Coastal, but have my share of miles on the interior and northern. 


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Hi John, i'm from central maine, augusta area born and raised.  You are right the far lever is for the FWA.

I ran a few tests this morning and could not get the PTO to disengage.  The left side PTO lever is stuck in the on position.  I have full movement from the right side PTO lever but it has no resistance.  If held back, the PTO still turns.  

Can try disconnecting the rod from the lever and hitting the lever with a hammer?  Is the connection there beefy enough they can take a little beating to free up or do i need to pull things apart?

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The disconnect lever on the left should work freely when the tractor is off, it is nothing but a gear shift.  The long lever on the right is the PTO clutch, that connects to the clutch shaft, you can see it under the platform on the right.  The shaft could be seized or the clutch may be seized, (not good).  You need to get a shop manual and owners manual.  Both are available on E-Bay.  I would not pound on the gear lever on the left, that should be free.  My PTO clutch is seized engaged so after hooking up PTO equipment,  I shut the tractor off, pull the PTO gear shift, on left, up and then start the tractor with the PTO engaged,  however that is hard on the starter and the teeth on the flywheel.  If your PTO clutch is seized disengaged you are out of luck.  The only fix for the PTO clutch is splitting the tractor and replacing it and while you are there you should do the main clutch too.  It is dual clutch, not a 2 stage clutch.  I am going to send you a PM.  I have been down this road and the guys here were a super help.

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Hi before you split tractor under right side, disconnect cable,spring,and short adj rod.make sure those are free and move easy.I have worked on several that one or both have been frozen.Then also have someone move tall yellow handle while you see if it's moving under cab. ALSO left handle under seat is Front wheel assist. Down is engaged,about 6" of travel up And down.    If you want PM ME
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Thank you for the advice Vern.  I plan on exhausting all possibilities before splitting it and will give your suggestions a try.
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Welcome to the forum!!  I bought a 6080 about a year ago, non runner.  This is the first 6000 series I have owned, I have had a 180, 185 and several 7000 series.  I really like this one.  Smooth runner, steering is easy, shifter is really smooth too.  I had to do some head work and sent the injectors and pump out to inj pump ed, he is a member on this forum.  I would recommend him for injector and pump work.  I did have to split it to replace the clutch as the trans front seal went out, covered everything in oil.  I felt it was one of the easier units I have split.  I was just using it today to move a little gravel, thought I would post a picture.

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Thanks for chiming in. I hope I don't have to split it and I don't really want to pull the cab off. I will keep you guys updated. Hope to put on a couple hours on it tomorrow between morning hunting and afternoon turkey
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No need to pull the cab for any thing you have to do to it.     MACK
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Mack i meant that splitting the tractor would be a bigger project because of the cab.  I am assuming the cab would have to come off to split it but i would be happy to find out i'm wrong. 
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Have worked on 60 series tractors since they come out new. Never have removed a cab.
 No need to remove cab to split for a clutch.     MACK
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That's nice to hear, thank you for letting me know.

I bought the operator's manual but the pictures in my PDF are pretty dark.  It has a lot of great information though so i'm positive it was worth it.  I pulled a few things apart yesterday and found that the PTO appears to be stuck on both sides.  Let me just make sure i have this correct.  

On the left side, the PTO handle connects down to the lever below the cab.  For me it is stuck  horizontal, which means it is in the on position.  In order to turn it off the handle and lever must go down?  I tried using a hammer to gently persuade it and made no progress.  Here is a picture showing the lever below stuck horizontal.  What is the best method for unsticking it?



On the right side PTO clutch I found more issues.  I took the lever cover off inside the cab and it looks like there is supposed to be a connection so that the cable moves independant of the cable sleeve, but there is nothing holding the cable sleeve.  Can someone tell me if this is supposed to be connected at the floor or if i'm missing something?  Here is a picture:


So when i pull the lever, the entire cable moves but it isnt pulling the wire through the sleeve. I followed it down the the mechanism and started playing around with it.  Here is what it looks like.  I was guessing that those two wires that are disconnected are to over ride the disengaged safety start requirement for the PTO?  If that's right, the guy who owned the tractor definitely knew there were issues.  This is what that looks like:



I grabbed the piece that gets rotated and tried to move it just by hand and was able to get some travel but i don't think it is nearly enough.  I did take a picture with it rotated as far as i could do it by hand.  I also tapped it with a hammer and couldnt get any more out of it. Is that rod sticking towards me supposed to rotate until it hits those two things?  Are those switches? What do they do?  It looks like i should either replace or free the cable, get the cable sleeve held down by the lever base/floor, and free up the mechanism so it has full travel?  Is that all correct?  Is there any way to get full travel without splitting the tractor?  What if i get the cable working correctly with the lever and pull back on it hard, while starting the tractor with a piece of equipment hooked to the PTO?  Would that maybe allow the starter help break the clutch free?  



Thanks for all the help guys, i know its a lot of questions.  Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.
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Here is a picture of the clamp you are missing.

Here is the pto handle in the forward position.

Here is it in the rearward, pulled back position.


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I would probably get the bracket on the cable and then do the adjustments per the manual first.  Could be all that is needed?
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LB thanks so much for the pics. I can not physically get it to move that far back so I'm afraid something inside may still be stuck. At least now I know how things are supposed to look. I'll see if I can get that cable freed up tomorrow and start ordering more parts. It also looks like my wires are on the wrong terminals. Hopefully this isn't a trend...
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pull up the rubber boot on the cable above where the bracket is missing and do a slow drip of some thin oil, looks kinda rusty. the way i see it wires on the terminals should not matter, they both getting compressed and released at the same time.
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Will do.  

That hadn't cross my mind but I can't argue with your logic.  I looked at the wiring diagram in my manual and it appears they are PTO switches that head to ground, with a fuel gauge ground thrown in.

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I am kinda guessing on this but in your 1st pic, is the top lever supposed to hook to the bottom black and silver lever where the hole is empty? Also the top lever about halfway there is a rusted off piece behind it,is that the pivot rusted into or nothing or nothing to do with it ?
I maybe totally wrong and the two levers are not related?


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That lever with the empty hole is actually the parking brake. The parking brake handle was... you guessed it... seized up aND I pulled it to try and get it free.

That rusted piece behind the pto lever is part of the same lever, it kind of come back on itself like a pivot point as you said.

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I'm not sure how it got so bad but i pulled up the floor mats and the floor is almost entirely gone.  The center piece has rusted away in to nothing and the left and right hand panels arent far behind. The PTO cable itself is free but the bracket that holds it is just a ball of rust and paper thin metal.  I'm going to price out replacement floor pieces but if it's expensive i'll have to go another route.  

I might look at doing a plywood floor, the edges of the current floor are still solid.  Half inch plywood would be plenty of support and if it was too thick at the diff lock or PTO bracket i need i could router some out i'm sure.


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Get the cable fixed first! that's a 2 to 1 mechanical advantage on that lever and there not easy to pull normaly so you won't be abel to pull by hand you will need a big bar . the two switches one is the PTO disengage light in the dash with to right lever back it should light up   the other switch ties to the foot clutch switch and seasonal disconnect switch . If seasonal left is down the right lever can be back or forward to start the tractor if seasonal is up right leaver has to be back to you to start tractor at ALL times unless using the right lever to stop the PTO it should be forward to keep pressure off. hope this helps we have six in the family hard to beat as a all around tractor

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Thanks Bradley, i don't think my safety switch is working because the tractor starts up in neutral and the PTO is spinning.  So my seasonal disconnect must be on, and the PTO clutch is stuck on.  Bill said that the seasonal disconnect is just a gear shift so it should not be stuck in gear, but it is.  I have taken a hammer to it and it will not budge.  Its cold and dark here by 4pm so in the evenings i've only been hitting levers/shafts with acetone/atf mix trying to free stuff up.

On the PTO clutch, what movement is it exactly that causes the clutch to release?  Is it the rotation of the shaft in the middle of the piece which has the spring up top and the cable linkage on bottom?  Trying to figure out precisely where to attack this.

Thanks guys.  Bill i still plan on giving you a call at some point.  Every day i learn a bit more on this thing so i'm trying to avoid calling several times.  


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