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    Posted: 18 Mar 2012 at 8:28pm

putting new tires /rims on our d-19. just wondering the difference in the corrosion factor between  calcium fluid, and the other fluid that is being marketed  which i'm lead to beileve is non-flammable washer fluid. anybody have any input or advice? tires are 18.4-34's thanks, pete

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Those tires will hold about 120 gallons a piece, so of you want to buy that much washer fluid you can, but you can buy methanol by the drum and cut it with water, I mix it 10 gal of meth with 45 gal of water, that should be about -20 deg f, and methanol is not corrosive. I thank I give around $150 a barrel, and you can buy at your local oil supplier. Oh yeah pure methanol is explosive so be careful with it before you mix it.
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Actually 18.4-34s will hold about 100 gals/each. Not sure why everybody is so down on calcium chloride. I used to change tractor tires and the only time rusting is an issue is when there's a leak. And even if there's a leak it's not a problem as long as the rim is washed before reassembling the tire. Tires that I had to fix years after an earlier repair (I used to fix tires for a living) showed little to no rusting from the prior leak. Also what's the weight/gal on the other mixtures. Chloride weighs 11lbs/gal. (and it's not explosive LOL)
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I had a tire split the inside sidewall while filled with CaCl. The spray rusted the tractor instantly.

There are four alternatives. CaCl is heavy and relatively cheap, though corrosive if there is any leak. RimGard is beet juice from Michigan, not as heavy, not corrosive, not cheap. Windshield washer mix is not as heavy, but easily acquired. Then there's cast iron weights that are fairly expensive, but don't add liquids which makes the tires cushion a bit better and won't freeze.

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  hmmm....decisions,decisions..........
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Aside from the 'bad for tractor' when it leaks, it doesn't do the soil or veggies any good when a tire splits and dumps all that super salty water out! I still have 'dead areas' in the driveway where it 'quickly seeped' out one day. Washer fluid would be bad that way to ?
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Miller Tire has discontinued using Rim Guard (beet juice). While it is non-corrosive, it has its disadvantages.

• Harder to pump in cold conditions
• Solids tend to settle over time and can’t be pumped out of the storage tank
• Cannot mix Rim Guard with other liquid ballast or it may foam
• All hoses and couplers must be air tight or foaming will result
• If you use too much air pressure during installation, it will foam.
• If it foams, you need to wait for foam to settle before finishing filling tire.
• It smells.

Miller Tire now uses “windshield washer/antifreeze fluid” even though at 8.3 lb/gal it is lighter than chloride & Rim Guard at 10.7 lb/gal

When filling tires, only fill to the top of rim. You need to leave an air cushion in the tire. You can put washer fluid in tubeless tires without tubes.

Miller Tire sells the air/water adapter tool for filling tires.

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Are wheel weights an option for you?
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Have about 200 gal.used antifreeze available,FREE,must pick up!
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have you priced wheel weights lately?  i think we may have new  "severe duty" firestone tubes installed in the new tires. i priced it out today and winkler tire in sterling will come out to the farm take off the old rims&tires off tractor, break the new ones down, install the new tubes and put the new rims /tires on tractor and transfer the ca/cl. all for $345 tubes and labor. that's  cheap & new tubes should keep leaks down for awhile. we may go that route.
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I'm like wrbewley. Using methanol here.
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Methanol Alcohol is my choice. Not as heavy as calcium cholride but easier on everything. HTH Tracy Martin
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Can ethanol be used as tire ballast, similar to methanol.


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I think Allis used to advertise that fluid filled tires gave a better ride. 

Anyhow, from the website orangetractortalks.com (not Allis).

It's the dangedest thing but I copied and pasted this in two pieces. The second half was numbered 4 thru 6 but when I paste it comes out 1 thru 3. I tried to go back and edit it but it just won't let me remove or replace the second set of numbers with the correct 4 thru 6 numbers. Confused Oh well, you all should have it figured out.

6 Reasons to Ballast

  1. Stability
    Liquid tire ballasting does what a no-clamp-on, hung or attached metal weight would do – it places the liquid ballast at the lowest center of gravity on the tractor. As the tractor is driven, the weight from the ballast liquid is maintained at the bottom of the tire under all circumstances. The operator will notice a marked improvement in the solid feeling handling characteristics of the tractor. There is more weight to the tractor and so it has more inertia when moving and is more likely to absorb some of the bumps.

  2. Greatly Increased Traction
    With the liquid ballast pushing down directly on the inside lower surface of the tire the contact patch or the total amount of available tread on the ground is optimized – the contact area does not get larger in size, but it has more weight bearing down on it. Anyone that has operated a compact Kubota tractor for any longer than a few seconds knows that torque was not cut from the design equation by some bean counter in the back room! That being said, as soon as the tires on your Kubota tractor begin slip the amount of available torque necessary to move the tractor or do the work (push snow for instance) drops to almost zero. Simply put, the more weight a tire has, the more traction is has.

    The interesting thing about torque is that in low-traction situations, the maximum amount of torque that can be created is determined by the amount of traction, not by the engine. So even if your Kubota B6100 had a turbo charged Cummins diesel engine in it, if the tires do not stick to the ground, there is simply no way to harnessthat power.

  3. Reduced Tire Wear
    Tire-slip occurs when the force or torque applied to it exceeds the traction available to that tire. Ever do a burn out in your father’s car or pick up? It does not take 300 horses under the hood of your Kubota to wear out a set of drive tires. Frequent, chronic lack or loss of traction, will significantly lower the tread life of your Kubota tractors tires especially if it’s equipped with turf or R3 tires. R3 equipped Kubotas have the least aggressive tire treads and as such have the least amount of available traction. R1/Ag Grip tires with their traditional 23 degree V-Bar tread design offer the best un-ballasted traction available. R1’s are standard on equipment on most Kubota tractors today but seldom seen on the lot. Most Kubota Dealers are ordering and specifying their new tractors be shipped with the optional R4 Industrial tires. While the R4’s have a flatter tread face and bolder contact patch than their R1 counterparts, they are still susceptible to tire slip and increased tire wear.

    1. Increased Operator Safety
      Better traction and a significant improvement in stability leads to increased operator safety. A tire slip at the wrong time can be costly and deadly. Attempting to raise a heavy bucket of material can lift the back end of the tractor in a heartbeat. Liquid ballasting makes good safety sense.

    2. Low Cost
      Liquid ballasting your tires is not necessarily expensive. There are all types of liquid ballast agents, such as water, beet juice, antifreeze or calcium chloride – each with their own advantages and disadvantages. If it does not get below zero where you live, then you can probably get away with a simple water ballast.

    3. Fast and Easy to Do
      The process of ballasting is simple and straightforward – using a garden hose and some tools/adapters available at any automotive supply one can fill their Kubota’s tires within 20-25 minutes depending on the tire size.




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If you do put CaCl back in, it'd be nice to really,really clean the rims really,really good,then paint them with a couple coats of good galvanized or oil paint.This extra protection just might save a rim when the CaCl 'leaks' out in the future.
Paint's a whole lot cheaper than a new rim !!
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Saw this in the classifieds; should wwork good for tire ballast and the price is right.
I use CACl in the rears; however, I change out the valve cores every year or two. Seems like they are the 1st to leak. Jack up the side, rotate tire so stem is on top, bleed out air, replace core, refill with air and away you go for another year or two. Now....if you happen to puncture the tire and tube.....don't hesitate to rinse off with fresh water and pull the tire and tube off the rim and thoroughly clean it.
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I have over 100 gal of Dow Therm chiller anti-freeze I want to sell , same as propylene glycol  but without the additive for engine cooling system use . 

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Talked to a tire guy a year or two ago and he says if you have a leak with beet juice you will have every bee in a 4 county area swarming around.  He says some people in his business refuse to work with beet juice do to the bees.  My day job is with a Calcuim chloride manufacture and as long as you wash any exposed metal with HOT water very well corrosion is not a issues.  We have railcars that are 40 years old in our fleet and have hauled chloride  their whole life and have only minor rust issues. CaCl2 is like alot of other things only harmfull if you do not know what you are doing.

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What happens to tube tire and wheel if plain water ballast freezes? Do they rip or pop or bend? I assume the tractor is just setting it out for the winter and won't be
operated with a frozen block of ice in the wheels.
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