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cornbinder ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Location: jeromesville,oh Points: 846 |
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putting new tires /rims on our d-19. just wondering the difference in the corrosion factor between calcium fluid, and the other fluid that is being marketed which i'm lead to beileve is non-flammable washer fluid. anybody have any input or advice? tires are 18.4-34's thanks, pete |
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wrbewley ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Location: New Haven, Ky Points: 43 |
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Those tires will hold about 120 gallons a piece, so of you want to buy that much washer fluid you can, but you can buy methanol by the drum and cut it with water, I mix it 10 gal of meth with 45 gal of water, that should be about -20 deg f, and methanol is not corrosive. I thank I give around $150 a barrel, and you can buy at your local oil supplier. Oh yeah pure methanol is explosive so be careful with it before you mix it.
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tony ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Location: deper wi Points: 76 |
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Actually 18.4-34s will hold about 100 gals/each. Not sure why everybody is so down on calcium chloride. I used to change tractor tires and the only time rusting is an issue is when there's a leak. And even if there's a leak it's not a problem as long as the rim is washed before reassembling the tire. Tires that I had to fix years after an earlier repair (I used to fix tires for a living) showed little to no rusting from the prior leak. Also what's the weight/gal on the other mixtures. Chloride weighs 11lbs/gal. (and it's not explosive
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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I had a tire split the inside sidewall while filled with CaCl. The spray rusted the tractor instantly.
There are four alternatives. CaCl is heavy and relatively cheap, though corrosive if there is any leak. RimGard is beet juice from Michigan, not as heavy, not corrosive, not cheap. Windshield washer mix is not as heavy, but easily acquired. Then there's cast iron weights that are fairly expensive, but don't add liquids which makes the tires cushion a bit better and won't freeze. Gerald J. |
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cornbinder ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Location: jeromesville,oh Points: 846 |
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hmmm....decisions,decisions..........
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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Aside from the 'bad for tractor' when it leaks, it doesn't do the soil or veggies any good when a tire splits and dumps all that super salty water out! I still have 'dead areas' in the driveway where it 'quickly seeped' out one day. Washer fluid would be bad that way to ?
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millertire ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Wauseon OH Points: 152 |
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Miller Tire has discontinued using Rim Guard (beet juice). While it is non-corrosive, it has its disadvantages.
• Harder to pump in cold conditions • Solids tend to settle over time and can’t be pumped out of the storage tank • Cannot mix Rim Guard with other liquid ballast or it may foam • All hoses and couplers must be air tight or foaming will result • If you use too much air pressure during installation, it will foam. • If it foams, you need to wait for foam to settle before finishing filling tire. • It smells. Miller Tire now uses “windshield washer/antifreeze fluid” even though at 8.3 lb/gal it is lighter than chloride & Rim Guard at 10.7 lb/gal When filling tires, only fill to the top of rim. You need to leave an air cushion in the tire. You can put washer fluid in tubeless tires without tubes. Miller Tire sells the air/water adapter tool for filling tires. www.millertire.com |
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Ben (MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jun 2010 Location: SW Lower MI Points: 754 |
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Are wheel weights an option for you?
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BobHnwO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Jenera Ohio Points: 693 |
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Have about 200 gal.used antifreeze available,FREE,must pick up!
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Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow.
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cornbinder ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Location: jeromesville,oh Points: 846 |
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have you priced wheel weights lately? i think we may have new "severe duty" firestone tubes installed in the new tires. i priced it out today and winkler tire in sterling will come out to the farm take off the old rims&tires off tractor, break the new ones down, install the new tubes and put the new rims /tires on tractor and transfer the ca/cl. all for $345 tubes and labor. that's cheap & new tubes should keep leaks down for awhile. we may go that route.
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NickT(Ky) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elizabethtown, Points: 417 |
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I'm like wrbewley. Using methanol here.
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Tracy Martin TN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10694 |
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Methanol Alcohol is my choice. Not as heavy as calcium cholride but easier on everything. HTH Tracy Martin
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No greater gift than healthy grandkids!
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BrianC ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Can ethanol be used as tire ballast, similar to methanol.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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I think Allis used to advertise that fluid filled tires gave a better ride.
Anyhow, from the website orangetractortalks.com (not Allis). It's the dangedest thing but I copied and pasted this in two pieces. The second half was numbered 4 thru 6 but when I paste it comes out 1 thru 3. I tried to go back and edit it but it just won't let me remove or replace the second set of numbers with the correct 4 thru 6 numbers.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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If you do put CaCl back in, it'd be nice to really,really clean the rims really,really good,then paint them with a couple coats of good galvanized or oil paint.This extra protection just might save a rim when the CaCl 'leaks' out in the future.
Paint's a whole lot cheaper than a new rim !!
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GregLawlerMinn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lawler, Mn Points: 1226 |
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Saw this in the classifieds; should wwork good for tire ballast and the price is right.
I use CACl in the rears; however, I change out the valve cores every year or two. Seems like they are the 1st to leak. Jack up the side, rotate tire so stem is on top, bleed out air, replace core, refill with air and away you go for another year or two. Now....if you happen to puncture the tire and tube.....don't hesitate to rinse off with fresh water and pull the tire and tube off the rim and thoroughly clean it.
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Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC |
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41819 |
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I have over 100 gal of Dow Therm chiller anti-freeze I want to sell , same as propylene glycol but without the additive for engine cooling system use .
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2877 |
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Talked to a tire guy a year or two ago and he says if you have a leak with beet juice you will have every bee in a 4 county area swarming around. He says some people in his business refuse to work with beet juice do to the bees. My day job is with a Calcuim chloride manufacture and as long as you wash any exposed metal with HOT water very well corrosion is not a issues. We have railcars that are 40 years old in our fleet and have hauled chloride their whole life and have only minor rust issues. CaCl2 is like alot of other things only harmfull if you do not know what you are doing. |
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BrianC ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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What happens to tube tire and wheel if plain water ballast freezes? Do they rip or pop or bend? I assume the tractor is just setting it out for the winter and won't be
operated with a frozen block of ice in the wheels. |
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