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    Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 11:30pm
I'm am restoreing my 52 h for an FFA project and was wondering if they ever came out of the factory with duals thank you
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Turning a set of duals with an H would void the warrantee...Wink
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I dought it.   I have a original operators manual for a H and it shows various wheel mounting positions but no picture of duals 
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I don't think any tractors of that era were actually designed for duals. Some steel wheeled tractor had steel wheel extensions, but not for rubber.
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There is literature that has been found about some dual setups for the H and M and I believe a few examples where there were skinny little rims and adapter brackets that would bolt to the center casting and used like 6 or 7x44" tires from what was listed. There were similar setups for the F-20 and F-12/F-14 that used 7x40" tires. So yes there were technically factory narrow dual rubber setups but they are now extremely rare and expensive if you do find them and cost you north of $5000 worth of specialty tires.
People have for years put duals on H's and M's for more traction simply by getting another set of rims/tires and cast centers. Flip the original center so it is "dished in" towards the tractor and slide in on the axle then put on the second set of centers "dished out" near the end of the axle and you have a set of duals that is actually easy to find parts and tires for but I don't think would have been offered as factory.
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A Farmall H as it left the factory barely had the power needed to spin what it had for single rear tires. Do you plan on adding another motor also?
If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
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Ok thanks I just wasn't forsure if h's,came with duals and yes I am learning that horse power wise it was an upgrade for horses but that was it
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i remember,,,,this is a short story,,,,lol

my dad bought an old H,,,tires were pretty rotten and it didnt run,,,my brother towed it home behind his jeep,,,,,Dad drove the tractor,,,,he said it was a hell of a ride,,,

but anyway,,,we got her running and you could see where dad was at anytime he was on it,,,,it was a smoking ol gal,,,,big smoke,,,,you sure didnt have to worry about skeeters

that winter i put an over bore kit in it for Dad,,maybe made it a super H or maybe a little better,,,freshed up the bearings while Dad put the paint to her,,, with new decals,,she looked like she just left the factory,,for the rear tires he found a set off an M,,i think he said,,,i know they were loaded and WAY bigger than factory or the ones we took off,,,some kind of a deal he made,,, unbolted the clamp slid old H set off slid on M set,,,,IIRC,,,we might have just changed the wheel and tire,,,,been a loooong time ago 

ol gal pulled pretty good,,,,Dad used it for skidding logs,,,

i can remember that old tractor,,,,when the load got really big would give a little shutter,,,,you could feel it in the whole tractor,,,,but once she got a moving that went away,,,like you drove through it or something,,,,you could tell the tractor wasnt ment to be doing this stuff,,,this way,,,,lol

as for duals,,,,i dont know if they were ever offered,,,or even if you would have enough tractor or clutch,,,,surely not the power

my daughter has Dads ol super 

Dads been gone for 8 years,,,,what i would give to set down and have a cup of coffe with him ,,,,1 more time

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I have two H's and not sure if the people who had them on here had tuning issues but they have good power for their size. My wife's H just has the lower compression dual fuel engine and when we have had it in fun pulls even at 4100 lbs with a set of weights it has never even come anywhere close to powering out; dug holes in a dirt track in third gear and in clay in second gear. I'm sure you could power them out with duals or more weight but in my experience anyway they weren't under-powered for their size. Much better power to weight than the JD B I owned kinda in the same class.
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CPG is very accurate with his description. I have the original literature picturing the set of Farmall H wheels/tires that  he describes and also an actual set of the duals. 
I do not have them on an H yet.  mcm
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An Allis Chalmers CA will run circles around a Farmall H as it left the factory. Even with an overbore kit they were nothing to get excited about, unless you had very low expectations and nothing of a small tractor for comparison. Even a Farmall C could do the same work as a H.   The shuttering that one of the above posters mentioned was due to the inner axle bearings going bad, that was very common with those early letter series Farmalls. When I was doing repairs replacing those bearings was always the cure for that complaint. It was difficult, but could be done through the PTO hole.

Edited by PaulB - 05 Nov 2018 at 4:48pm
If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
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My grandfather loved the H, we had 3 of them. He said it was the best tractor that you could buy, it would never wear out because it didn't have enough power to hurt itself.
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The 44" duals were available on early H's but they didn't have much to do with traction like we think of duals today.  They were used in areas of the country where crops were listed or bedded instead of planted on flat ground.  The duals were used to straddle the ridges when either planting (listing) or cultivating.
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Must be not very many actual farmers that fit dirt on this thread. Duals are for floatation and pulling the same load as singles will take less horse power. With singles you are always not only pulling a load in loose dirt but your pulling yourself up out of your tracks. My Farmall C had duals in when I bought it used. I took them off to paint the inner wheels and never put them back on. Two of my Oliver 1850's were bought without duals. I bought duals for two of them and was able to step up one gear fitting ground. Pulling two full gravity wagons to town with duals the tires would loose some traction going up some hills on chip and seal blacktop. Removed the duals and the same load on the same hills it did not loose traction. To much floatation on a hard surface.    

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Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

Must be not very many actual farmers that fit dirt on this thread. Duals are for floatation and pulling the same load as singles will take less horse power. With singles you are always not only pulling a load in loose dirt but your pulling yourself up out of your tracks. My Farmall C had duals in when I bought it used. I took them off to paint the inner wheels and never put them back on. Two of my Oliver 1850's were bought without duals. I bought duals for two of them and was able to step up one gear fitting ground. Pulling two full gravity wagons to town with duals the tires would loose some traction going up some hills on chip and seal blacktop. Removed the duals and the same load on the same hills it did not loose traction. To much floatation on a hard surface.    
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Much the same experience if you have a FWA tractor and don't engage it in loose dirt.  Everything feels bogged down and slow, and then you have that "OH YEAH" moment realizing you forgot to turn it on.  It's like picking up 1/2 a gear, RPMs come up.
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I can remember back in the '70s as a kid riding the school bus, an H with duals in the field. I also remember in the early '90s, working at the dealership, that era of IH's had lots of trouble breaking axles. Now this was in the early '90s when those tractors no longer saw much action and I worked at an Allis dealer besides and we hauled in one summer, a Super H and a Super C both with broken rear axles. The Super C IIRC was pulled out of a muddy cow yard. It had been pulling an old manure spreader. The Super H......... I can't remember what that was doing but I believe it had a loader on it. I also remember the local IH dealer parts guy tell me that 1066 etc tractors had a problem breaking rear axles. I know they (1066 thru 1586) had rear end problems because I saw that when I worked parts at a CaseIH dealership.
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A  friend of mine has  duals on  his M.  He took a second set of cast centers and worked things out with spacing so that each wheel on the rear has its own cast center clamped to the main axle.
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Originally posted by naylorbros naylorbros wrote:

A  friend of mine has  duals on  his M.  He took a second set of cast centers and worked things out with spacing so that each wheel on the rear has its own cast center clamped to the main axle.
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That is how the duals were on my Farmall C. The long axles has helped me bend up some gates and push over some wood fence posts.
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Duals on a H Farmall would rank right up there with a turbo on an AC G (LOL)
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Thanks Danial, one- for being a young man interested in the past and two- for belonging to FFA and being active.if you get into your restoration and need help feel free to ask here. Although most on here are Allis kin, they may have friends and neighbors that have some red parts you need. If you have the resources to add duels to your tractor go for it.it will make for a good discussion anywhere you show it. I do wish it was Orange . Good luck, Scott
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Duals for tractors were originally developed in the mid 30's to aid in the cultivation of listed crops planted between ridges.  They used 40" or 44" skinny rims and tires and were available for all popular row crop tractors of the era.  These are the "factory" duals that were available for the Farmall H/M's.




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Originally posted by ecclap ecclap wrote:

Must be a bunch of wise guys that don't like to answer the original question or learn about how wheel equipment was used in other parts of the country.
explain why you think that
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I apologize and misread one of the posts when looking through the thread.  I edited my own post to take out that quote.

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