This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Allis Chalmers > Farm Equipment
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Factory Steel Wheel B????

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Factory Steel Wheel B????
    Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:08pm
A friend has this B SN 6306. 1942 I think. It has wood on each side of the fenders?? Also wouldnt it of had steel wheels in the front?
Id upload pics but it says file size to large. Dang it.
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
CrestonM View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Oklahoma
Points: 8454
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CrestonM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:28pm
Mine is 58292, and it's a 42. Wood on the fenders isn't correct I don't think.
Mine never was on steel, or someone did a lot of parts switching.
Not all tractors had steel on front, but more did than not during the war I believe.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:29pm
Ok. Yeah i wish i could get the pic to load.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:38pm
If someone thinks they would have better luck uploading the pics id be more than happy to enail them to u.
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:48pm
open the picture in paint brush.. Then click on resize and get it to 800 x 600 or so and save it to desktop...... then down load to this site.. Many cameras save the photos as 3600 x 3000 or so.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:52pm
there were close to 12,000 tractors built in 1939, so if you SN is really 63xx then it is a 1939. Look at the front rims. Are the centers bolted or rivet to the hub  or plate ?  Or do the wheels look like automotive style, one piece with 5 lugs to the center hub.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 9:57pm
They do not have an auto style. More of a dust cap looking piece w 3 screws...
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:05pm
something like this ?
 
 


Edited by steve(ill) - 23 May 2017 at 10:06pm
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:08pm
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:08pm
Thanks for all the tips! I won!
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:09pm
Yes just like that.
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:11pm
YEP... that would be pre- war. The wood on each side of the seat to space the fenders outward was not stock. You have hand brakes, no starter or generator, and the pre 1940 wheels on the front. Going by your SN, I think it really is a 1939.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:14pm
Werent these suppose to have the big wide rear fenders? Do u think it came factory that way? The wood looks factory to me.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:18pm
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:18pm
It looks like standard B fenders with steel rear wheels added afterward.... Those rims did not go with those fenders from the factory (  don't think).... unless the tractor was ordered special with steel wheels in 1939 (???) ......... that is not a "War B" with the wide fenders and steel wheels.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:18pm
Hard to make out the s/n
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:23pm
I think a "war B" would look more like this ( not mine)... note the rear wheel hub design and the high air cleaner tube and wide fenders.
 
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:25pm
Yup thats what i think too. Must be something someone kind of pieced together.
Back to Top
MNLonnie View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Baxter MN
Points: 4791
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MNLonnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:26pm
6306 would be a 1938. Wood is definitely not factory.
Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker
Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 87187
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2017 at 10:28pm
Lonnie is right.. almost 12,000 tractors were built in 1938.  Yours was one of them.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
Gary View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Peterborough,On
Points: 5897
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2017 at 5:12am

Steve (ill)

According to the 'Serial Number Reference' on this site -

the nearly 12,000 B's built was in 1938,not 1939, last serial 11,799.

6306 would be mid 1938.

Gary
Back to Top
marion View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 19 May 2010
Points: 586
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2017 at 6:02am
didn't the 1938 models have the bakelite on the steering wheel covering the spokes on the steering wheel all the way to the hub, mine has a third type front wheel, with only a dust cap, which threads on covering the hub, and wheel is steel, only thing holding wheel on is nut and bearing under cap??
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2017 at 6:55am
Very interesting. So the conclusion here is that the wood is not factory, the rear steel wheels were added by someone, and the front wheels are correct? This unit would have came w rubber all the way around...

Thanks for all the great info guys.
Back to Top
davh View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level
Avatar

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Location: Kansas
Points: 117
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2017 at 7:14am
What years did the B's have the non lugnut front tires on the wide front. I have one but not cast, it is pressed steel.  Serial shows it is a 49.
Back to Top
Ken(MI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Lansing, MI
Points: 619
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken(MI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2017 at 7:29am
Lug nut hubs were added in mid 1939, around serial 24000, steel wheels were optional before the war.
Back to Top
steelwheelAcjim View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
Location: Blissfield,Mi
Points: 1257
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steelwheelAcjim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2017 at 8:18am
It is entirely possible that this tractor was ordered and shipped with this wheel combination(steel rear/rubber front). However, the lack of the thicker rear cast hubs makes one think otherwise.
Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires!
Back to Top
Ken in Texas View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Henderson, TX
Points: 5919
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Ken in Texas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2017 at 7:02am
Dakota Steve
    More B trivia.   The rear wheel centers are 1938 vintage for rubber tires. 2 valve stem notches in a half moon shape, V shaped notches became standard in late 38 and most if not all 1939 Bs.
engine------ if cast in 38 the casting number should end in a 10.   The engine serial number 1n 1938  is hard to see stamped in rear of block. BExxxxx
   Seat back support straps are wide version Correct for 38
 
   a fabricated welded clutch peddle is correct  for all but very late 1938 Bs
 
  Steering wheel in not original 1938.    All black hard rubber covered all over would be 38  
   Restoring a 38 back to original  using all 38 vintage parts is a serious  challenge


Edited by Ken in Texas - 26 May 2017 at 7:04am
Back to Top
Gary Burnett View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Virginia
Points: 3059
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary Burnett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2017 at 7:53am
A lot could happen to a tractor since 1938,I'd love to see someone try to figure out some of the tractors I have put together over the years.LOL
Chris Holmes at Elkwood VA used to put together a B,D12,CA combination tractor and
hang Woods Mowers on them,saw one at an auction a few years lot of fun listening to the
'experts' trying to explain that tractor.                          
Back to Top
DakotaSteve View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 26 Apr 2017
Location: SD
Points: 717
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DakotaSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2017 at 1:46pm
Thanks!
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.104 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum