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GeorgeinNJ 
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Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:08pm |
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When installing new sleeves, what do you guys use to lubricate the "O" rings? I'm rebuilding an allis chalmer RC engine.
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Dave in il
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Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:23pm |
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Vasaline, it won't swell the O rings like engine oil does.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:49pm |
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straight Dawn liquid dish soap. "They" claim any petroleum base lube will turn to carbon over time with heat and become abrasive to o-rings as there is always minute working of sleeves in blocks using sleeves. Is it true? I don't know.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 5:59am |
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Use what the sleeve/o-ring manufacture tells you to use.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 6:01am |
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i have used vegitable oil,
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 6:12am |
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I use oil oil; that is olive oil.
Edited by GregLawlerMinn - 07 May 2012 at 4:15pm
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 7:11am |
Greg - oil oil ?? An Engine Rebuilder told me they use Liquid Hand Soap. Gary
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 7:12am |
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I also used vegitable oil .
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 8:29am |
Glycerin works great. We also use it to lubricate the syringes in our vet kit. In expensive and available at any pharmacy.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 8:48am |
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Veggie oil.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 8:59am |
I too use Veggie Oil or Murphy's Oil Soap
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 2:29pm |
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Dawn dish soap is always good, and it won't swell the O-rings or degrade them, it just disolves. But best bet is to go to product website and see what they recomend. Petroleum products are not the best because of the previous reasons mentioned for sure. Good luck and let us all know what you decide to use and what was recomended.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 2:44pm |
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I was taught many years ago to use liquid dish soap. Have ever since, and never had any issue. Was also taught to put very thin bead of high quality silicone in the corner of counterbore to help ensure sealing at top of sleeve. Olivers would leak there and leak coolant at sides of head gasket.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 2:50pm |
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my IT manual says hydraulic brake fluid, or thick soap solution. Since brake fluid today may or may not be the same stuff as when that was written, I think I will use "thick soap solution" aka dish soap
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 3:20pm |
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I use soap on plug wire boots when I make them up too.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 4:15pm |
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Crisco is what I was told to use.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 4:29pm |
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I was told by an old AC mechanic that his son rebuilt a 200 and used oil and it swelled the sleeves enough to seize the engine.
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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 8:06pm |
We always used castor oil at dads shop. I always assumed that he had picked that up at an allis training school. That castor oil makes those O-rings super slick, the sleeves usually pop right into place when using it. Another thing we always did was before lubing the o-rings, use a small pocket screwdriver or pick and work it around the inside circumference of the o-ring. Purpose being to take any twist out of the o-ring. If you examine the outside of the o-ring you can see the seem, look closely!
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Posted: 08 May 2012 at 9:50am |
old suggestions are good but new technology is better.
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Posted: 08 May 2012 at 12:07pm |
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Crisco is what I was told to use. |
careful where you put crisco, It's SHORTENING! LOL!
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Posted: 08 May 2012 at 10:09pm |
Pankey, do you just apply the 111 to the o-rings after putting them on the sleeve or should you smear some on the block also? Second question does it firm up like regular silicone or stay in a gell state like dielectric grease? Third and final question can i obtain it from the local parts store, interested in giving it a try if its not too much trouble to find. Thanks alot!!
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 12:15am |
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I was taught by an Allis mechanic to use very heavy water pump grease to lubricate the o rings and take a small round screw driver and put it under the o ring and go around the cylinder a few times to get out any twists in the o ring. He never had one go bad in the past 40 years I seen it used. I always used it on my WD and D17 also.
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 4:02pm |
ALLISMAN32 wrote:
<FONT style=": #000000">Pankey, do you just apply the 111 to the o-rings after putting them on the sleeve or should you smear some on the block also? Second question does it firm up like regular silicone or stay in a gell state like dielectric grease? Third and final question can i obtain it from the local parts store, interested in giving it a try if its not too much trouble to find. Thanks alot!! |
it stays the consistency.of grease. I just use liberally on the orings.
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