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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:17am |
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Going to be doing some engines over the winter for projects. Is there any info for reviews on engine kits? I know there is Tisco and Alliance. Are there others? What experience has everyone had. I'm doing a 149 and 160 engines. Any advice or suggestions are welcome. Like to do it right but don't want to spend money on stuff that isn't really necessary. All the machine work has been done on the 149 already. The 160 isn't out of the tractor yet. Would it make more sense to just fine a good running engine for the 160 replacement?
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:21am |
I used Tisco on my 8N. I can't complain. I've heard on some kits (Not sure what brand), the pistons and sleeves are made of cheap inferior metal, and while they may run fine, when you shut it off, the pistons are heated up and they expand. Then if you hit the starter button right after killing it, nothing will happen because the engine is stuck. Let it cool for a while and it will start again.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:23am |
 CrestonM wrote:
I used Tisco on my 8N. I can't complain. I've heard on some kits (Not sure what brand), the pistons and sleeves are made of cheap inferior metal, and while they may run fine, when you shut it off, the pistons are heated up and they expand. Then if you hit the starter button right after killing it, nothing will happen because the engine is stuck. Let it cool for a while and it will start again. |
Yea, I don't want that problem.
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:28am |
AJ - there is PowerMax that is well thought of. Fred is a dealer. Mike http://www.powermaxparts.com/
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Ken in Texas
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:47am |
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I got real lucky a few years back and bought a big box of 16 McQuay Norris pistons, sleeves, rings and o rings for cheap. Got two sets left.
Quality was excellent.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:49am |
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We sell and install kits with Richland, Victor, and clevite parts. I have been installing them for 15 years and very satisfied.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 10:30am |
CrestonM wrote:
I used Tisco on my 8N. I can't complain. I've heard on some kits (Not sure what brand), the pistons and sleeves are made of cheap inferior metal, and while they may run fine, when you shut it off, the pistons are heated up and they expand. Then if you hit the starter button right after killing it, nothing will happen because the engine is stuck. Let it cool for a while and it will start again. |
Its not the parts 90% of the time .Its the guy putting it together that has no clue on how to do a total real engine rebuild .
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 4:22pm |
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AJ, I would guess you will look long and hard for a GOOD RUNNING 160 for sale. Just buy a kit and rebuild. I agree with FRED-- quality is the rebuilder normally, not the parts used.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 5:19pm |
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I bought my 160 kit from Tony Carbaugh. Quality parts and outstanding service as usual from Tony!
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:02pm |
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Just incase your wondering what the price range is for doing a engine right. I'm at 3,000 on my WD45 engine build.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 9:20pm |
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I don't care what anybody says, NOTHING fits like original. Rebuild what you have, that way you know what you've got.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 9:23pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
AJ, I would guess you will look long and hard for a GOOD RUNNING 160 for sale. Just buy a kit and rebuild. I agree with FRED-- quality is the rebuilder normally, not the parts used. |
I didn't think it would be feasible to try to find a 160 engine. For the amount of money someone would likely want for one you could spend a little more and have a new engine that you built and know 100% what you have.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 3:05am |
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Powermax is owned by reliance now. I just ordered a kit from them for my d17 226 gas. The 4 inch oem sleeves aren't produced anymore for that motor. But they do sell a 4 1/8 over bore that still has the same 7.25 to 1 compression ratio. Had it had the correct power crater pistions. You will need to get the crank to a machine shop and find out what bearing it needs after they do any work it needs before you can order your kit. When you order your kit make sure the pistions are power crater or dished is the other description people use for them. Also find out what the correct compression ratio is and don't buy a kit that doesn't state the compression ratio. I do have a d15 with a 160. When you get it rebuilt it had high compression and will need high octane fuel or it will backfire and diesel when shutoff. I had that problem with mine this summer. But do check the compression before you tare down the motor and check the sleeves and pistions before ordering a kit. My d15 didn't need a full kit just rings and bearing. My d17 needs a full kit.
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